Seanan McGuire (seanan_mcguire) wrote,
Seanan McGuire
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ONCE BROKEN FAITH open thread!

To celebrate the release of Once Broken Faith, here. Have an open thread to discuss the book. Judging by the comments I'm seeing, some of you have had time, and I'd really, really rather book discussion (sometimes including spoilers) didn't crop up on other posts.

THERE WILL BE SPOILERS.

Seriously. If anyone comments here at all, THERE WILL BE SPOILERS. So please don't read and then yell at me because you encountered spoilers. You were warned. (I will not reply to every comment; I call partial comment amnesty. But I may well join some of the discussion, or answer questions or whatnot.) I will be DELETING all comments containing spoilers which have been left on other posts. No one gets to spoil people here without a label.

You can also start a discussion at my website forums, with less need to be concerned that I will see everything you say! In case you wanted, you know, discussion free of authorial influence, since I always wind up getting involved in these things.

Have fun, and try not to bleed on the carpet.
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Gemma Mason

September 9 2016, 02:06:19 UTC 10 months ago

Mm, yes, a lot of my pet theories involve Amandine's mother being human, so I see where you're coming from, here. Then again, another of my pet theories is that Amandine might have been ambivalent about her own human heritage and so deliberately purged it. If she had (this is "if" upon "if", I know), then I don't know if she'd have passed it on to her daughter or not.

My extra-wild theory is that this is where the night-haunts come from. They're Amandine's purged mortality, little snippets of Firstborn death out to eat everyone and then die themselves, because Dochas Sidhe are what you get when Oberon breeds with a mortal: blood and death. Muahaha. Or something.

bree_ramsey314

September 12 2016, 19:48:21 UTC 10 months ago

Your comment tweaked a memory, so I did some digging. Here is what the Luidaeg had to say about Amandine's parentage in The Winter Long:

"Oberon's her father, making her the youngest of my siblings, but her mother is not my mother, nor my father's other bride. Who her mother is I can't say, but if you go looking, you might find some interesting truths hidden under some equally interesting lies."

So, here's my latest theory: Evening Winterrose/Eira Rosynhwyr is Amandine's mother. It explains the connection to blood and roses, and possibly also Evening's unveiled disdain for Toby. She certainly believes that Toby's father was human.

"You're a half-breed. A mongrel. You should have never existed, in this world or any other. I knew Amandine was perverse, but I had no idea she would lower herself to lying with a human before the day that news of your birth was brought to me." (The Winter Long)

She calls Toby her niece there, but that could just a half-truth. If she is Amandine's mother, than Toby is both her granddaughter and her niece, and if she's so disgusted at the thought of a changeling niece, how much more a changeling granddaughter?

bree_ramsey314

September 14 2016, 00:22:09 UTC 10 months ago

I thought of another point regarding the Luidaeg's comment. "Who her mother is I can't say.." We know there's a lot of things the Luidaeg isn't permitted to say, but one in particular is she can't even say her sister's name. Was she trying to give Toby a clue here? Only time will tell.

crewgrrl

October 19 2016, 01:12:11 UTC 8 months ago

I'm pretty sure Ammandine's heritage ties to the Tam Lin ride. I think her mother was Janet.