Seanan McGuire (seanan_mcguire) wrote,
Seanan McGuire
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ONCE BROKEN FAITH open thread!

To celebrate the release of Once Broken Faith, here. Have an open thread to discuss the book. Judging by the comments I'm seeing, some of you have had time, and I'd really, really rather book discussion (sometimes including spoilers) didn't crop up on other posts.

THERE WILL BE SPOILERS.

Seriously. If anyone comments here at all, THERE WILL BE SPOILERS. So please don't read and then yell at me because you encountered spoilers. You were warned. (I will not reply to every comment; I call partial comment amnesty. But I may well join some of the discussion, or answer questions or whatnot.) I will be DELETING all comments containing spoilers which have been left on other posts. No one gets to spoil people here without a label.

You can also start a discussion at my website forums, with less need to be concerned that I will see everything you say! In case you wanted, you know, discussion free of authorial influence, since I always wind up getting involved in these things.

Have fun, and try not to bleed on the carpet.
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RE: Re: Re: I HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR?!

M Reed

September 11 2016, 01:24:46 UTC 10 months ago

Besides which -- who says that the Selkies would survive? To be more precise -- what if the souls of the Roane *overwrote* the souls of the Sellkies. Yes, obviously this isn't what the Selkies think is going to happen

Remember, Luideag is, quite literally, both a monster and very inhuman. And as far as Toby refusing to help... Well, Toby is in debt to the Luideag far, far more than she ever was to Evening, and the Luideag hasn't cashed in any of that debt so far.

On a meta level: Good things rarely happen to Toby -- it seems beyond unlikely that whatever the Luideag has planned for Toby is going to be pleasant for her.

RE: Re: Re: I HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR?!

beccacivi

September 12 2016, 12:13:57 UTC 10 months ago

I share your feeling that the change that Toby will most likely have to make to the Selkies will in effect, "resurrect" the skin, thus overwriting to mortal who is wearing it at the time.

As of right now, Toby seems willing to go along with whatever the Luidaeg has planned (she always calls her before she has to go out of town because she knows that the deadline is past due). I'm not sure how she'll react if she is essentially trading one life for another.

And the Luidaeg was indebted to Toby in The Winter Long after Toby brought her back from the dead, which is in part what confused me about the flame that Toby had to incur a debt for. But Toby still thanked the Luidaeg after awakening Tybalt, Quentin, and Walter, and the Luidaeg said that she would have to so...I don't know.

RE: Re: Re: I HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR?!

M Reed

September 12 2016, 13:43:44 UTC 10 months ago

Arguably, the Luideag saved Toby's life at least twice (although, given the revelations at the end of the book, it *might* be that she only dramatically shortened her recuperation time), so... In addition to this, Toby claimed the Luideag as her protector / guardian / patron multiple times in The Winter Long -- something similar, but far, far, far less explicit, is what got her into trouble with Evening *in the first place*.

Luideag *likes* Toby, but if there is something she very desperately wants... Well, she *is* a monster. :(

RE: Re: Re: I HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR?!

jenfullmoon

September 12 2016, 17:32:52 UTC 10 months ago

I've lost track of all of their indebtedness, but I think the bottom line is that those two like/love each other enough to save each other's bacon/do what the other wants anyway.