ONCE BROKEN FAITH open thread!: seanan

ONCE BROKEN FAITH open thread!

To celebrate the release of Once Broken Faith, here. Have an open thread to discuss the book. Judging by the comments I'm seeing, some of you have had time, and I'd really, really rather book discussion (sometimes including spoilers) didn't crop up on other posts.

THERE WILL BE SPOILERS.

Seriously. If anyone comments here at all, THERE WILL BE SPOILERS. So please don't read and then yell at me because you encountered spoilers. You were warned. (I will not reply to every comment; I call partial comment amnesty. But I may well join some of the discussion, or answer questions or whatnot.) I will be DELETING all comments containing spoilers which have been left on other posts. No one gets to spoil people here without a label.

You can also start a discussion at my website forums, with less need to be concerned that I will see everything you say! In case you wanted, you know, discussion free of authorial influence, since I always wind up getting involved in these things.

Have fun, and try not to bleed on the carpet.

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belegwen

September 8 2016, 10:54:00 UTC 10 months ago

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Messing with her memories would not have been necessary, just lying to her from early childhood on.

I think Simon is her father. I think the trick of where the human came from is Amandine's mother. No matter who the other parent of a Firstborn is they are Firstborn and all Fae--check the answers Seanan gave to some of the varied questions about Fae heritage a couple years ago. But if Amandine's mother was human, that might put enough memory of human blood in her fully Fae daughter for her to bring out.

That's my crazy theory anyway.

lazzchan

September 9 2016, 05:42:12 UTC 10 months ago

My friend and I battled around that theory for awhile, but I think August is still out there, because of a little tidbit that was in the spot where Toby first found Arden. There was a girl with silver-gold hair, yes? It was just a verrrry passing comment, but the hair color stuck out in my mind later, because Simon's memories pegged August with that hair.

September 9 2016, 10:58:22 UTC 10 months ago

I don't see how August still being around is incompatible with Toby also being the daughter of Amandine and Simon. I definitely think August is somewhere for us to meet some day.

jenfullmoon

September 9 2016, 14:04:09 UTC 10 months ago

And I look forward to when that happens, whenever that is.

Anyone have any theories? Mine is that she disappeared looking for Blind Michael since taking off with a candle from the Luidaeg is how that started.

acf151

September 9 2016, 22:20:51 UTC 10 months ago

I suspect she and Penthea are hanging out in Atlanta Georgia. For some reason I have the impression of Penthea in the southeast USA. It'd be neat if she discovers August the way Quentin is discovering Toby.

Gemma Mason

September 13 2016, 04:39:45 UTC 10 months ago

I'll throw in the possibility that August is somewhere in deep Faerie. Wasn't there a statement somewhere about how the last time a changeling got supercharged teleportation powers "people got lost" and Amandine was involved in fixing the breach? Not conclusive, I know, it's possible either that August was one of the people who got lost, or that August went looking for them. Perhaps the earthquake was involved?

Then, too, as far as I know we haven't been told if the Luidaeg's candles go only to Blind Michael's lands, or if they can go to deeper places. And one more thing: Oberon's magic deals with blood, and with the borders between worlds. Toby can find knowes, and she has intuitions for how knowes work, but I wonder if she also has other skills, that August could also have been messing around with...

bree_ramsey314

September 13 2016, 07:08:55 UTC 10 months ago

Or maybe she disappeared looking for the Big Three. If so, and she's still alive, then she and Toby will probably meet, because it seems to me Toby is fated to undertake that quest herself.

September 13 2016, 19:34:09 UTC 10 months ago

I have definitely pondered if searching for the Big Three is a endgame plot point in this series. It seems implied that Maeve was lost on a Tam Lin/Ride experience, so who knows if she's retrievable. (But given the Luidaeg's prayer to her in The Winter Long, maybe not totally lost?) As for the others...??????

Yeah, Toby and August gotta meet at some point. Yay missing persons cases....

September 14 2016, 00:07:30 UTC 10 months ago

I don't think it was just Maeve on that ride, I believe it was all three and that's when they disappeared.

dragonsong

September 14 2016, 14:25:40 UTC 10 months ago

Y'know, the timeline may fit. When is Tam Lin actually set? I think Luna mentions something about "500 years" since anyone's set foot on Annwn and that she watched Oberon seal the doors.

Wikipedia says, "The ballad dates to at least as early as 1549."

500 years, and yep. We're in the 2000's.

September 14 2016, 16:53:34 UTC 10 months ago

Works for me. That wasn't just a random blood memory from the Luidaeg, it was an important puzzle piece.

Here's a thought: in The Winter Long, the Luidaeg prayed to Maeve for help, and it appeared she answered. What if Oberon, Titania and Maeve were elf shot, and are being kept asleep by regularly adding a booster dose? If that is the case, then suddenly Karen becomes a very major component in finding them. It could also explain Evening's desire to suppress the cure; her wanting to preserve her greatest creation doesn't ring true with me, but if she's keeping the Big Three asleep she certainly wouldn't want a cure.

September 9 2016, 15:30:25 UTC 10 months ago

Oh sorry, I didn't mean to phrase it as if that wasn't the case. I think I misread something. Simon was very... possessive of the idea of Toby being "his" which would screw things up even more for Toby. D:

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