Seanan McGuire (seanan_mcguire) wrote,
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ONCE BROKEN FAITH open thread!

To celebrate the release of Once Broken Faith, here. Have an open thread to discuss the book. Judging by the comments I'm seeing, some of you have had time, and I'd really, really rather book discussion (sometimes including spoilers) didn't crop up on other posts.

THERE WILL BE SPOILERS.

Seriously. If anyone comments here at all, THERE WILL BE SPOILERS. So please don't read and then yell at me because you encountered spoilers. You were warned. (I will not reply to every comment; I call partial comment amnesty. But I may well join some of the discussion, or answer questions or whatnot.) I will be DELETING all comments containing spoilers which have been left on other posts. No one gets to spoil people here without a label.

You can also start a discussion at my website forums, with less need to be concerned that I will see everything you say! In case you wanted, you know, discussion free of authorial influence, since I always wind up getting involved in these things.

Have fun, and try not to bleed on the carpet.
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Also on fairy rings:

We got to hear that the Ride of the King and Queens had been "compromised" (or similar, the book's upstairs). And we've known for a long time that they "just disappeared". And now we have the idea of fairy rings, which will last a hundred years trivially, longer if there's the magical power available.

We also know that, to some extent, Eira Rosynhwyr was being reined in a little by the monarchs (presumably significantly Maeve), and that she (and her descendants) are power-hungry. She's the person that would have stood to gain most from their absence. And she has more power than pretty much anyone else around. Assuming that continues to hold while she's asleep, that is, but clearly Eira being asleep isn't the same as other people, from Karen's predicament here.

And her not-quite-mortal enemy, or at least "balance", is the Luidaeg, who is bound by the strictures of the missing Titania, has lost most of her siblings (through unstated means), and doesn't have Maeve there any more.

I've thought for a while now (three or four books) that Amandine's line are there to be the heroes who can right injustices; we're told (I forget where) that those claimed by Oberon are heroes. (Although not exclusively, since Sylvester was a hero too.) And August, the (only?) other descendant disappeared questing before the 1906 SF earthquake, which we might assume was linked to Amandine raising hell looking for her, possibly with some Torquill assistance. I've thought for a bit that August went off hunting for the disappeared King and Queens, and Eira stopped her; Toby's the remaining possibility for now, hence the Luidaeg's "without a lot more preparation" comment (again, not verbatim, because walking upstairs hurts) -- she really doesn't want to lose Toby as well, lest she have to find Amandine and make sure she produces another heroinette...

Exactly how this ties up with the Luidaeg's plans for the Selkies and (maybe?) rebirth of the Roane is anyone's guess, except, of course, Seanan's. And I'm probably conspiracy-theorising horribly, but it amuses me, at least ;-)
If Toby can shift the blood of the the changelings to go one way or another, what is the possibility she could... change the selkies all the way back to Roane? That's a disturbing thought all in its own, but Toby's power is very strong and not cataloged to all of what it can accomplish.
The Selkies aren't fae by blood, though, I don't think. All their power is in their skins. Before they inherit a skin, they're human, with the skin they're skin shifter fae and when they want to die they give away their skin and they die as a human. If I remember info from one salt sea correctly (since we learn the kidnappers steal a skin, and use it to get through the wards as the wards are set to just recognise the selkie skin itself, not the individual Selkie).
What I got from One Salt Sea was the the Luidaeg was giving the Selkie's time to organize their skins, and anybody without one was going to be screwed and left out forever. Maybe the magic in the skin is enough to shift them back to Roane?
I'm thinking that over the generations the magic of the skins has 'seeped into' the Selkies. They're described as basically human without their skins, but they're treated as purebloods. It could be that the span of time changed them, enough that Toby can shift their blood and restore the Roane.
I don't think Toby can do that on her own, necessarily. But Antigone might be able to use Toby's power to do something like that.
Antigone is needing Toby for something that only Toby can do... and she hasn't gotten to the selkies yet.
Get on the stick about that, sea-witch! I want to know!
Oh yeah, totally, Toby is needed. But given that we've seen Antigone turn Toby into a Merrow, or a child...imagine the boost she could give Toby's abilities.
I've reasonably been assuming that's the goal of the whole Selkie thing after all: Toby is going to make everyone with a skin a Roane in full.

This book mentioned that the original Roane murderers (and thus presumably their descendants) were merlins, so they're a little magic on their own at least?

Sometime I do want to hear more about merlins and how that works.
Thanks!

Hah, even back then I was all, "I think I'm a merlin." :P
Re: the first Selkies being merlins - the Luidaeg mentions that merlins were able to use fairy rings to catch full fae. I'm thinking there's a VERY GOOD reason she forgot about fairy rings as a tool. She doesn't really want to hold on to the details of making Selkies.
Oooh, yeah. It did seem weird that the Luidaeg *wouldn't* know something like that.