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INDEXING: REFLECTIONS episode #8: "Holly Tree."

The eighth episode of Indexing: Reflections is available today! This is your talkpost and discussion zone. There will be spoilers in the comments here. As always on talkposts, I have partial comment amnesty, and will not be responding to everything.

"Holly Tree" is important. I've been keeping mum about a lot of things while I waited for us to get here. Oh, Amity...

One of the big things I've had to keep my mouth shut on is Sloane's tale type. Several people have noticed that she's categorized wrong; "The Cruel Sister" has nothing to do with Cinderella, or with the specific trappings of Sloane's tale. Sloane's actual tale type is unknown, because sometimes, trying to force things into a structure is a good way to wind up getting them incorrect; the ATI MB thinks they know what they have, because someone chose a label, and someone else put that label on a file.

They have no idea.

Once upon a time...
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Is it very wrong of me to love your powerful, grouchy, and threatening violence female characters so much?

Squeee! Excited! Opening Kindle Reader right nowwwwww.

If loving cranky violent people who threaten carnage is wrong, then I don't wanna be right.

jenfullmoon

1 year ago

marziek

1 year ago

jenfullmoon

1 year ago

Subject says it all

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OOOOH BREAKER OF CINDERELLA STORIES OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH

marziek

1 year ago

jenfullmoon

1 year ago

beccastareyes

1 year ago

lysystratae

1 year ago

deor

1 year ago

beccastareyes

1 year ago

Bear with me, here --

Years ago, my sister was telling us all over a holiday dinner how her ex-boyfriend at the time was calling her up at all hours of the day and night, saying he was suicidal, demanding that she see him and take him back. She was telling the story, half-laughing, and the punchline was that she hung up on him, dialed 911 and said where he was and what was going on, and then turned off the ringer on her phone. We all laughed along with her funny story. And I was a little bit surprised that my baby sister was that *tough*. That she could do something like that.

Later that year, my sister let us all know about some bad things that had happened to her, that none of us had suspected.

I thought about Larry Underwood.

I thought, "Yes. There is something in my sister that is like biting down on tinfoil. She looks soft and fragile, but there is something DEEPLY tough about my sister." On some fundamental level, my baby sister can absofuckinglutely do whatever needs to be done.

And she fucking well *paid* for that gift.

I would never wish that emotional tinfoil core on anybody. The cost is .... well, it is what it is. I don't wish it on anyone.

But I am never afraid that life is going to give my sister more than she can handle. I am not afraid *for* my sister. And I know .... I know she can do the hard things. When hard things are required.

So, Sloan.

Yes.

Thank you.

Henry.

Yes.

Thank you, Seanan.

... pretty sure this comment still doesn't make sense. But, thank you.
Oh my. I've loved Sloane since meeting her, but you made my heart ache for her in this one. And for Henry, with the bargains she's making to get back to her team, and the repercussions those may have.

This is the first installment in a while that hasn't made me exclaim "Ahh! Seanan!" At the end of it, but wow. I'm going to have to sit and process this one for a bit. I'm eagerly awaiting the rest of the story.
"This is the first installment in a while that hasn't made me exclaim "Ahh! Seanan!" At the end of it, but wow. I'm going to have to sit and process this one for a bit."

Same, but this one I went "Awwww, Seanan!" It got me right in the feels.

geekhyena

1 year ago

Oh Henry... the payment that you have made feels like you got robbed and gave the mirrors something more powerful to used in the future; a story without a name for them to use and make different Snow Whites, a way to spot the unknown.

Does the Bureau still have Sloane's name?
We know they do. She used it a couple chapters ago when she was trying to get in to see Henry in the hospital because the bureaucrat wouldn't let her through until she stated she true name and then said she had name change paperwork on file along with an explanation of why it wasn't safe to use her original name.
Uh... All I can say is Thank You!

No wonder Sloane is so strong. She's had all that time to fight her worst impulses. And so very, very smart and discerning with it - she figured out on her own that she was caught in a fairytale, and she walked away from it and saved her family.

And you've reduced me to incoherent babbling.
And also too, made me cry.
I did not see this one coming, not in the slightest. I was thinking it was all up to the team now, that they were going to have to force Adrianna back to the wood, so Henry could reclaim her body.

This is way cooler than that!

I'm in the same boat with groblek, my heart weeps for Sloane. Amity was so ... pure. That's the best word I can come up with to describe her. It seems that purity is still part of Sloane, otherwise she would have become a monster long ago. I am really frightened for her now. Henry's decision is going to have consequences. It was the only option she had if she was going to save her team, but it's going to have consequences, and they will affect Sloane. I just hope that she can survive them.

This just keeps getting better. Thank you, Seanan!
So...if Sloane's ability is detecting tales, does that make her a storyteller?
Or The Editor...

Laura Carr

1 year ago

I know it's given as a 315, but looking at the hint, and a little looking a 480 might make sense.
Really? What would the reward be there?

primalsilicon

1 year ago

museclio

1 year ago

primalsilicon

1 year ago

Poor Sloane.

I also have to say that every time I get to the end of a chapter I go "NOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!" Cruelty, thy name is Kindle Serials. Not that I have the willpower to wait.
...apropos of absolutely nothing, every time I get to Eliza's "I’m erasing myself from the narrative" on the Hamilton soundtrack (currently on infinite loop), I think of Indexing.

Sloane's always been my favorite, so I really appreciated this chapter and the exploration of her origins. Between her being a breaker of stories and mistyped to boot...I'm more interested than ever. Long game, well played!
I can see that.
oh, Sloane.
Amazing.

Absolutely amazing. I'm so excited to continue this, and see the reaction Sloane has to Henry knowing her story, and learn more about just who Sloane is.

Sloane has always been my favorite character and this latest installment has me so worried for her. (And Henry and the whole gang.) One consistant theme in fairytales and Indexing has always been that the tales always have a price, I'm so worried for when accounts come due.

Love love loved the backstory on Sloane and Henry's determination to save the team. Thanks Seanan!
not to bother Seanan, so can someone else answer?

Ive checked around and didn't see if Indexing will at some point go to paper-version. There's a place on my shelf all ready for it :)
Indexing Reflections is going to have paper copies (amazon has it available for pre-order now) and Indexing paper copy is available on amazon as well....