Seanan McGuire (seanan_mcguire) wrote,
Seanan McGuire
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A RED-ROSE CHAIN open thread!

To celebrate the release of A Red-Rose Chain, here. Have an open thread to discuss the book. Judging by the comments I'm seeing, some of you have had time, and I'd really, really rather book discussion (sometimes including spoilers) didn't crop up on other posts.

THERE WILL BE SPOILERS.

Seriously. If anyone comments here at all, THERE WILL BE SPOILERS. So please don't read and then yell at me because you encountered spoilers. You were warned. (I will not reply to every comment; I call partial comment amnesty. But I may well join some of the discussion, or answer questions or whatnot.) I will be DELETING all comments containing spoilers which have been left on other posts. No one gets to spoil people here without a label.

You can also start a discussion at my website forums, with less need to be concerned that I will see everything you say! In case you wanted, you know, discussion free of authorial influence, since I always wind up getting involved in these things.

Have fun, and try not to bleed on the carpet.
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marabett

September 6 2015, 22:21:51 UTC 1 year ago

I seem to remember that Seanan has indicated that Raysel is a favorite of hers, so I think your hope is likely to bear fruit. In One Salt Sea, it was specifically indicated that Raysel (presumably) didn't know the elf-shot she was using was deadly to the fae when she shot the female Selkie. I believe the only other people she shot at were Gillian (not subject to Oberon's Law, and not dead as a result) and Toby (same sitch as Gillian). In the latter case, Raysel hit Connor instead and did kill him, but one could argue that that was an accident. And yes, she tried to kill Luna, but Luna's not going to want Raysel prosecuted for that. I also have a soft spot for Raysel, especially after Toby looked through her Shadowed Hills quarters in OSS and found her journal.

I really, really, really want to know why Eira wanted Luna and Rayseline locked away. Just to destabilize the Mists by taking Sylvester out of the equation for a while? Or did she want to make sure that Raysel wouldn't be a fit heir for Shadowed Hills?

bree_ramsey314

September 6 2015, 22:58:46 UTC 1 year ago

Like I said, I feel sorry for Raysel, and she is vary much a victim in all this. However, I don't think 'It was an accident" will, or should, allow her to escape without consequences. That's fine if we're talking about dropping a hammer while you're working on the roof and hitting someone in the head, or tripping over the rug and knocking someone down a flight of stairs, but shooting an arrow at someone is a crime, whether your intent was to kill or not. I seriously doubt the fact that one of her targets was human and the other a changeling will carry much weight in Arden's court, especially when the changeling was Toby and the human was her child.

But Raysel's ordeal should be factored in when it comes time to mete out justice. I believe it will, especially if Toby changing her blood has stabilized her, and she shows genuine remorse for her actions.

And yeah, I want to know what the point of it was. Destabilizing Shadowed Hills is certainly a possibility, but why? It's just one duchy, so how would this have figured into the grand evil plot? Toby is the only answer I've got. She is sworn to Shadowed Hills, the Torquills have been her family for a long time, and now Luna hates her, she can't stand to be near Sylvester and Raysel ... we just don't know yet. It all comes back to Toby, somehow...

Except

capplor

September 9 2015, 05:24:36 UTC 1 year ago

According to Simon, he was ordered to kill Toby, and out of mercy or fear of his wife "merely" turned her into a fish, probably knowing that she'd eventually turn herself back.

RE: Except

the_darkstar

October 21 2015, 12:53:46 UTC 1 year ago

I always wondered why Eira didn't make sure that Toby got killed but pretended to be her friend. It doesn't make sense.

One thing for sure is that Eira fears for all children of Amandine, though.

RE: Except

capplor

December 6 2015, 15:39:44 UTC 1 year ago

Plausible deniability, maybe? Is there any particular taboo against killing relatives?