Seanan McGuire (seanan_mcguire) wrote,
Seanan McGuire
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THE WINTER LONG open thread!

To celebrate the release of The Winter Long, here. Have an open thread to discuss the book. Judging by the comments I'm seeing, some of you have had time, and I'd really, really rather book discussion (sometimes including spoilers) didn't crop up on other posts.

THERE WILL BE SPOILERS.

Seriously. If anyone comments here at all, THERE WILL BE SPOILERS. So please don't read and then yell at me because you encountered spoilers. You were warned. (I will not reply to every comment; I call partial comment amnesty. But I may well join some of the discussion, or answer questions or whatnot.) I will be DELETING all comments containing spoilers which have been left on other posts. No one gets to spoil people here without a label.

You can also start a discussion at my website forums, with less need to be concerned that I will see everything you say! In case you wanted, you know, discussion free of authorial influence, since I always wind up getting involved in these things.

Have fun, and try not to bleed on the carpet.
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acelightning

September 12 2014, 11:10:22 UTC 2 years ago

Why would a human civic official have the authority to perform a Fae marriage? Furthermore, when Toby was riding Simon's blood, she caught a memory of Simon and Amandine's hands being clasped between the hands of the then-reigning King (who was liege to both of them) in what looked like a "handfasting" ritual. But who is liege to Tybalt, since he's a King in his own right? So, then, who does have the authority to marry Toby and Tybalt? I don't think even the Luidaeg does.

And May would never forgive Toby for not getting seriously dressed up. No, there's got to be a short cease-fire to allow for a day or two of spectacle. (I could make them a wedding cake and perform the ceremony - I'm both a Wiccan Priestess and a card-carrying Minister in the Universal life church - and on two occasions, I've put the finishing touches on a wedding cake, then whisked off to change into ritual garb in order to perform the ceremony. But, as far as I can tell, my bloodlines are completely human...)

vixyish

September 12 2014, 16:20:20 UTC 2 years ago

Heh. I guess there'd be two issues; what would be a marriage ceremony that would be meaningful for *them*, and what would be a marriage ceremony that would count under fae law.

I don't know the latter, but I'm sure there are rules. Although if the rule really is that it's their liege... it might not matter about Tybalt, since he's liege to nobody-- maybe at that point it only matters that it's Toby's liege-- but it's going to be thorny if it has to be Sylvester, since neither of them are exactly happy with him right now.

The former... I could see a human officiant having some meaning for Toby, out of memory of her father. There wouldn't be anyone she specifically knows well enough in the human world, but I could imagine her wanting to have a separate short ceremony in a human church or civic office or something, especially if she knows where her parents were married.

acelightning

September 13 2014, 08:53:56 UTC 2 years ago

Quentin's father the High King, or possibly even Queen Arden, would, I think, be empowered to solemnize Toby's marriage, and since they rank above Sylvester, they're certainly able to override him... but I don't think there's anybody above the various Kings and Queens of Cats - I think they're all considered equal in rank. (And I'd be very surprised if Toby knew anything about the circumstances of her parents' marriage.)