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Existence is its own justification.

The ongoing discussion about diversity in fiction is, well, ongoing; that's sort of what ongoing discussions do. (Also, I have been neck-deep in edits for the past month, so the fact that I used "ongoing" three times in the prior sentence feels deliciously naughty.) On the one side, you have people saying "representation matters." On the other side, you have people saying that the urge for diversity in fiction is "selfie culture" (and somehow that's bad?), and that fiction should show us new things, not just be "a representative of the self," and that it's "jarring" when they encounter "minority characters" who don't somehow fit a list of cultural and social ticky-boxes that would justify those characters existing as anything other than straight, white, male. "Cis" doesn't even need to be spoken. There's no way a trans* character could exist for any reason other than to talk about their genitals, and that would be the ultimate in jarring, thanks.

And people wonder why I spend so much time wanting to set the world on fire.

I think it's very telling that the people who say it's wrong to want representation in fiction are almost overwhelmingly white. If I want to read about white people having amazing adventures and doing incredible things, being heroes and villains, simple and complicated, handsome and hideous, loved and hated, all I need to do is pick up a book at random. There is a literally 90% chance that I will get all those things from whatever book I've chosen, especially if I'm going for the "classic literature" of the science fiction/fantasy/horror world. 90%! And that may honestly be low-balling the number! If I were a straight white man, of course I wouldn't see any issue with representation in fiction—I'd be on every page I turned! Even as a straight white woman, I'd be on a lot of pages, even if half those pages would have me either naked or screaming (or both, if I had happened to grab a Gor book). There's no problem with representation here!

But I've never been a straight white man. I've never been a straight white girl, either. I was a bisexual kid with a lot of questions and not very many answers, and it wasn't until I encountered ElfQuest that I actually felt like I saw myself on a page. No, I didn't think I was an elf, although I sort of wished I was, because elves are awesome, but it was Cutter and Leetah and the rest who introduced me to the idea that I could love boys and girls, and not be a bad person. I wasn't indecisive or wicked. I just had a lot of love to give, and my set of criteria for who got it wasn't based on gender.

Let me restate that: I was already bi. I had already been attracted to girls, guys, and a kid in my class who went by "Pup" and refused to be pinned down to either gender (and my second grade teacher never forced Pup to commit either way, which was pretty damn cool of her, given that this was the 1980s). Books did not make me choose my sexuality; books told me a) that my sexuality existed, and b) that it was okay, it was natural, it was not proof that there was something wrong with me. And especially in grade school/middle school, sexuality is invisible in a way that very little else is. No one knew I was queer until I came out. It wasn't even a matter of openly hiding it; sex wasn't on the table, I didn't feel like sharing, I didn't share. No one knew that I was different. Everyone thought that when they read their books about little white girls having adventures, they were reading about me, too.

You know what's not invisible? Race. "I don't see race" is bull. When we read those books about little white kids having amazing adventures, we knew that it was white kids having adventures, because adventures are for white people. At the age of eight, we all understood that our non-white classmates were not represented in the books we read, and very few of us had the sophistication to jump to "this is a lack of representation." Instead, we jumped to "I guess Oz doesn't like black people." Because books shape your view of the world, books remake you in their image, and the books we had said little white kids go on adventures, little kids of any other race are nowhere to be seen.

This is a problem.

So some of us grew up, and for whatever reason—maybe it affected us directly, maybe it affected our friends, maybe it was just pointed out—we started trying to show a world that looked more like the world we actually lived in, where everything wasn't a monoculture. And for some reason, this is being taken as a threat. How dare you want little Asian kids to go on adventures. How dare you want queer teenagers to save the world. How dare you imply that transwomen can be perfectly ordinary, perfectly competent people who just want to not get eaten by the dinosaur that's been eating everyone else. That's selfie culture, that's diversity for the sake of diversity, that's wrong. And after a great deal of consideration, I have come to this conclusion:

If that's what you think, you can go fuck yourself.

That's not politic, and it's not nice, and it may cause a couple of people to go "what a bitch, I'm done," but I don't fucking care. Because I am tired of people needing to thank me for making an effort. I am tired of receiving email that says it was distracting when so-and-so turned out to be gay, or asking why I have Indian characters in three separate series (and the fact that having an Indian woman show up and never speak a line is apparently enough to put Indexing on the same level as Blackout for some people just makes me weep for humanity). I am tired of "oh you feel like you're so open-minded" because I write about gay people, bi people, poly people, people who are exactly like the people that I know. I want to be unremarkable for my casting choices, and only remarkable for my characters being awesome (because let's face it, my characters are awesome).

A lack of representation in fiction leads to a lack of self-esteem, because selfie culture is important: we need to see ourselves, and the people who keep trying to dismiss that as somehow selfish or greedy or narcissistic are the ones who've had a mirror held up to them for so long that they don't even see it anymore. White becomes so generic, so default, that it's not mentioned when describing a character ("blonde hair, blue eyes" vs. "oh, she's black, of course, that's the biggest thing"). Humanity is huge and diverse and amazing, and saying that only a small, approved sliver of it belongs in fiction is a dick move. If diversity is distracting, it's because it's so rare.

We can fix that.
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I grew up in a very integrated city, to the point where when I thought about my high school experience, I thought of it as very (for lack of a better term) "white"—but then I went to college in a 90%+ white city and realized that what I'd been reading as "white" was usually multi-racial, and that people really did talk about things like "the black experience" in serious terms. As though it were a monolithic, exotic thing. Which is really, really weird to me.

And yeah, the first time I read a story with a non-heterosexual character, it was jarring. And then I read it again, and it was less so*. And every time I encountered it in fiction, it became less jarring, until now it's just sort of a double-take to make sure I caught the name correctly. You know, it's okay to push your comfort boundaries, particularly if you realize that your comfort zone isn't where you want it to be.

Or, you know, if you really don't like something, you can just pick something else and not rail at the person whose work isn't to your taste...

*Tanya Huff, of course I re-read it! Multiple times...
Comfort zones are just that: comfortable. We can stagnate there.
Your characters are awesome and you are awesome.
Thank you.
I think another commenter had a good point - it is when it is forced that it is jarring. That doesn't come from the fact that the character is a QUILTBAG, but rather because it is so poorly written as to make that fact stand out, and to wave its hands and say "Hey! Look at me! I am here as a Plot Device(tm)!!!"

I don't find it jarring, or odd to have a minority character or marginalized character. I do, however, thanks to my English Lit background, look at it through the lens of "-isms" when I am reading a book, and find myself looking at what statements that character/author *makes* because of the fact that s/he is of XYZ background/orientation/etc. Unfortunately, I have yet to train that aspect of my mind out of doing that when I am thinking critically about a novel, or reviewing one.

I for one find diversity in novels (that 10% as you put it) to be celebrated, as it isn't every day that you see a QUILTBAG character (let alone a main character), and it deserves to be pointed out, precisely because of the comments I have read here: We need more characters like us (for me, I'm a cis-bi girl), who are celebrated and told that we're normal and loved and worth writing about.
Sometimes you need the forced character to absorb the "wait what?" for everyone else. Only the first one is "abnormal."
keep being you, and we'll keep reading.
Posts like this? This is why at the very least, you are getting a mention on the Thank you page (or whatever you choose to call it; it's a page where people list people they are thanking) on the first novel I publish. As a straight white male, I've never had this issue, yet there's probably a reason why most of the characters I relate to are not that. Yet I have had the issue of "this series doesn't make sense; why were there no black people in space/Middle Earth/Gotham when there are so many in real life". I have had the issue of "my friends are girls, so I want to read stories about girls, but I'm having trouble finding one". Honestly, problems that are so indicative of privilege that I'm shocked by people who claim it doesn't exist.

I'm starting to wonder if it might be fiction more than anything else that convinced me that straight people make up 99% of society, because the farther I get from it and the more I get into the world the more I know it's wrong.

So uh...yeah, sort of rambly comment there, but I just want you to know that I'm paying attention, and that posts like this are probably why this is one of the blogs I read the most, if not the blog I read the most.
Thank you.

<3
There's no way a trans* character could exist for any reason other than to talk about their genitals, and that would be the ultimate in jarring, thanks.

Really? That's news. And here I thought a trans* character could exist for the same reason(s) as cis character. Silly me. [/sarcasm]


If diversity is distracting, it's because it's so rare.

This, I suspect, is why you got a complaint about Dr. Kellis being gay, and I think I've mentioned in the past I found his sexuality slightly distracting the first time I read Feed (but only enough to rate a brief 'Oh, he isn't straight. You don't see that very often/That's rare' thought before my mind had to race on to keep up with your fabulous, fabulous prose). We need diversity in fiction. We need all skin colors, creeds, nationalities, religions, ethnic groups, and sexualities represented in a way that's true to life.
And that's the sort of distraction we have a way to fix: by making it not unusual anymore.
I had to explain on the Marvel Heroes forums after some jackass commented that "This game's playerbase sure is hard up for women characters. It's creepy" that no, in fact, it was not "creepy" it is because there are actually a lot of females playing video games, and we like to be represented in the game itself, as opposed to always having to play a male character. The exact same thing can be said for people of color, and for those of different sexualities. We exist in the world in large numbers and we deserve representation in our fictional media, be that movies, television, novels, or video games.

It's amazing how so many STILL DON'T GET IT.

(Still love Elfquest, even after all these years. I'm sure you know they are putting out a new comic, starting in January!)
They won't, until we make them.
I was 7 when my sexuality was burgeoning; I had crushes on men AND women, but I only ever talked about the ones on men, because I had already internalized the idea that I was somehow wrong for liking women. I was 16 before I had the language to describe myself, and 20 before I felt comfortable using that language openly to describe myself. The irony here was that my grandmother had a girlfriend (who was a part of my life as much as my grandmother was), but since it was never openly discussed in my family, I had no idea that the very thing that I had been taught by society was wrong was being positively modeled before my eyes. (Lest I seem hopelessly oblivious, my great-aunt also lived with a woman, but she was my great-aunt's friend and caretaker. It never occurred to me nor was it ever stated that the two situations were inherently different).

Why does representation matter? Because I spent 9 more years of my life than I should have not knowing that there were people like me... people *right in front of me* that could have told me I was not messed up. No one should have to feel like that.

Thank you, Seanan, for including so many diverse characters in your works. Perhaps someday this will be unremarkable, but today I thank you for letting me see myself - all of myself - reflected in your characters.
Oh, honey.

No; no one should have to feel like that. You are not messed up. You matter so much.

You are amazing.
Well said. As a straight white man, I didn't notice the lack of diversity until it was pointed out, so I understand how people can be oblivious to the problem. Well, that's not entirely true - I did notice that girls were featured as protagonists much less often, and thought it kind of strange, but being yiung didn't think much more on it until much later in life. I really don't understand why people react to others pointing out the problem with hostility though - reflecting reality isn't a threat, and I have yet to read a book where adding diversity made it somehow worse. I like reading about people who are not me in addition to ones I can identify with, and I think everyone should have the chance to see themselves reflected in the stories they read. I'm very glad that you and other authors are working to fix the lack of diversity - while I don't write, I'll certainly continue buying books that reflect all of us and keep recommending them to my friends. I hope for a day when diversity in fiction is so common that it becomes the new default assumption.
I am so glad we're heading for that day together.
I'm coming to realize now, as an adult, just how "weird" a lot of books I read must have been, because they were filled with both boys and girls having adventures, and of many different races and familial situations. My mother is a reader, and my father is perpetually curious about new places and things, so they just...bought me books based on the story, and not the characters' traits. I'm not sure I'm explaining myself well (research-brain takes away my ability to English properly sometimes).

At any rate, I agree that quotas and ticky-boxes should not be forced on people or characters.
You got so lucky. I applaud your parents.
Dear Seanan -

sooo much love. Thank you for writing about me, about my wyfe, about the people in our lives of a thousand variations.

Thank you.
You are always, always welcome.
I don't know if anyone else mentioned this in prior comments (because right now I'm too tired to read 70+ comments), but this struck me as odd:

The assholes you are talking about are holding both of these opinions at the same time:
- "that fiction should show us new things, not just be "a representative of the self,"
- that it's "jarring" when they encounter "minority characters"

These seem like opposite sentiments to me. "You should be showing us something new!" and "WTF is this new shit?"

Cognitive dissonance much?
oh, yes, I've noticed that cognitive dissonance. But see, they can explain it. They want *certain kinds* of new and cool. They want a new fantasy world with a different magic system and a new cool sentient magical humanoid if fantasy, and neat new tech and a thorough study of its implications if SF.

Marketing talks about people wanting the same but different. It applies even to many kinds of geeks, even if their "Same" happens to be magic swords and dragons/FTL drives and blasters instead of Westerns or Romance. They're probably thoroughly comfortable considering different forms of post humans and tech so different from our world that it should be hard to grasp. That's the kind of "but different" that happens to make them comfortable. Introducing aspects of an extant human culture too different from theirs, for no reason they can discern (Since "It exists" is apparently not enough justification for them)? That happens to be the wrong kind of "But different", even if the FTL drive is the same gist.

I sympathize. I can think of whole genres of books I would find uncomfortable reading, at least at first effort, because they're too different from my comfort zone. Westerns, for instance (I got through a few Western themed fantasies just fine, though... and some of my discomfort is based on certain race-related attitudes of the time depicted) or serial killers. Overly hard SF. But so far, gender and race and culture, especially based on inclusion of real world diversity, seem to be the "But different" parts I am *more* keen to look at.

I'm not actually sure this makes me a better person than those whose love of "Same but different" makes them uncomfortable with Indian or First Nations (Or female or trans* or etc) people appearing onstage as non-stereotypes, just one whose personal prejudices happen not to clash with the zeitgeist of diversity.

seanan_mcguire

3 years ago

I think I pointed this out at your panel at Musecon, but in case I didn't...

I remember when a bunch of agents and editors were talking about what they were looking for in YA novels. All of them wanted diversity, but they didn't want the character to focus on the diversity. They wanted a kid having an adventure who "happened" to be black or whatever.

That rubbed me the wrong way because those kids being black or whatever? That's going to have a huge impact on how they react to situations, how they grow and develop as people, and how they respond to their environment.

I still felt like those editorial requirements were still a sort of erasure.

I don't think every book has to have the primary focus on a character's race, but it needs to be address it as more than a physical description. Because it's part of a person's very soul, and what makes the person who she or he is.
I do see what you mean about the language used suggesting erasure.

Poor as the phrasing is, I think the intent was reaction to the existence of such characters *only* in books whose central theme is "Let's teach everyone about what it Means to Be Jewish/Black/Hispanic/lesbian through an extensive struggle* with Identity" and to suggest instead that "Hispanic kid gets superpowers and saves Guatemala from aliens without spending screeds of pages struggling with their cultural identity" would be a better story.

What they need is new words to express that better. "Just happens to be diverse" is Wrongity Wrong. "Is inherently diverse with all the depth that implies, but doesn't make that fact Pointedly and Ham-handedly and doesn't spend most of the book comparing and contrasting itself to Mainstream White America instead of just being itself." is right but nothing like pithy enough.

* And it's always a "struggle".
I wish I'd seen this in time for my response to not be buried, but since you'll see it eventually:

Gregory.

You have a plot-important Native American whose defining feature isn't his race. That shouldn't be a big deal, but it is. Representation matters so, so much, and I'm honestly having a hard time thinking of any other Native characters I can say that about (which is really starting to bug me; I'm going to ask tumblr for a list).
<3

I am glad to have given you something awesome.
:: Blinks :: Someone objected to the character Mahir in Blackout? I thought he was wonderful for many reasons but didn't notice race/diversity as being one of them. Having him showed, through background comments, what was happening in a part of the world outside the US, and his culture gave him an excuse to love Georgia without being a potential "love interest".

Plus he gets to be oh-so-very-Brit sometimes. What's not to love?
Wait. You have a male character noticing a female character and not planning to boink her????? Illegal function call, redo from start. You're going to break the universe!

*lectures, waves finger* Boy people and girl people cannot be friends without any sexual involvement. Your story is broken. No one will ever buy it or read it and it will never be nominated for awards.

I love when reality smacks these people like a dead fish across the face.

seanan_mcguire

3 years ago

Here, you can borrow my Clue-by-Four for any future idiots. ;) And I fully agree, your characters are awesome, and for that matter, so are you.
Thank you!
One of the things I love most about your stories (and there are a lot of things love about your stories!) is that you're constantly introducing characters who are so diverse that many of them aren't human. A large, telepathic predatory insect who looks like a nerd-girl. A handsome, courtly, deeply complex man who looks great in leather pants... when he's not being a tabby cat. Intellectual, polygamous William, who happens to be a dragon. A more-or-less-humanoid female, possibly describable as "God's niece", who is a lesbian. Several entire colonies of intelligent mice who can not only speak, they can sing. Every new story of yours I read introduces me to more delightfully strange people - I won't call them "creatures", because by my standards, they're all definitely "people".

See userpic - Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations. (Yes, I admit that I'm both neophillic and xenophilic. That's why I've been a science fiction/fantasy reader since I first learned to read.) Please, Seanan, keep being inclusive - the way you do it is so much fun!

I am so glad you enjoy them. :)

acelightning

3 years ago

I am a white, straight, cis-gendered person, and damnit I want to read stuff that is NOT "selfie"! If everyone in a book is Just Like Me (or my male equivalent), it gets frickin' boring. So please keep on writing awesome fiction where characters are non-white, non-straight, and/or non-cis just because they damn well can be, and I will keep loving it. :)
Aye aye!
Thank you! You are super awesome, as a human being, as a writer, as a friend!
I didn't realize I was bisexual until I was 20, despite knowing that bisexuals existed since I was I don't know how young. I partially blame this on the lack of media representation of bisexuals. I knew intellectually that there were people who were attracted to both men and women, but I'd never seen one represented positively so I never made the connection that I was one of them. I wonder if this, on some sub-conscious level, is why my protagonists tend to be bisexual. Representation is important.

Also, on a note only somewhat related to this post, thank you for your rants like this. I thought I was doing a good job of having a diverse cast. After a friend's offhand comment years ago about everybody being white, I'd made sure to rectify that. I have characters of a wide variety of religions, sexual orientations, races, species, genders, etc. Yet the other day I realized that almost every single person in a position of authority was a white male. I forget now what you'd posted that flashed through my head when I was typing the name of the person in charge of their military, but whatever it was, it made me realize that I'd apparently internalized the idea that mostly white males ended up in positions of power, even in allegedly equal societies. So the person in charge of their military became a non-white woman.
I mentioned something very similar above re: my own bisexuality. It's an odd realization to come to at that point in your life isn't it? At least it was for me. I just kind of woke up one day and went, "Huh, so that's new. Er, no it's not. Er... Ohhhhh I get it now!" *facepalm*

*offers fistbumps or hugs or waves*

seanan_mcguire

3 years ago

Thank you.

We need people working to fix it.
We really do.
I want to be unremarkable for my casting choices, and only remarkable for my characters being awesome (because let's face it, my characters are awesome).

I have nothing to add, except that I feel you've absolutely accomplished this. Your characters are the awesome-est.

The term "selfie-culture" is new to me, at least in this context. Like, I get what it's supposed to invoke (endless social networking feeds crammed with nothing but selfies, it's legit annoying), but it seems so very out of place in a conversation about representation in fiction. It's REALLY not the same thing.
You're right: it's not the same thing.

Now we just need to convince the assholes using the term unironically.
Growing up I loved the Six Million Dollar Man and the Bionic Woman because they had handicaps. I wanted bionics so bad because then nobody would be able to tell that I was different.
I know that feeling.

juglore

3 years ago

I just wanted to thank you for posting about Digital Divide by KB Spangler a while back, because her heroine is an Asian-American woman who kicks butt in sci-fi, which is incredibly rare. And that you have a diverse cast, because that reflects the real world.
Welcome on all counts.
Thank you for this. Diversity does matter. Also, it seems to me that every time you get, perhaps, a bit impolitic, I just like you more as a person. Even if that is "internet person, whom I do not actually have conversations with." Your anger and frustration so often matches mine, and you are so much more clearly expressive that it's good to see. Just one more fan, who will keep reading, and pushing your books.
<3

Thank you.
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