Seanan McGuire (seanan_mcguire) wrote,
Seanan McGuire
seanan_mcguire
  • Mood: tired
  • Music: Delta Rae, "Dance in the Graveyards."

Proving ourselves, over and over again.

Someone commented, in reading the responses to my "stop checking my credentials" post of yesterday, that it was somewhat distressing how many people seemed to feel the need to go "yeah, I may not X, but I Y, I Z, I A B C D I am an alphabet I am a geek don't dismiss me." And it is distressing. It distresses me. I am distressed. Because I do the same thing when my credentials are challenged in an area that I can't match: I start rattling off things I do know, waving flags that prove my geekdom like I was going to be thrown out of the club. I can't stop myself. I think many of us can't. It's distressing to me, not because it makes us collectively a bunch of braggy over-achievers, but because it represents how many times, collectively, we have had our right to exist in our own spaces challenged.

The first challenge is met with confusion. The second with contention. The third, and all others, with exasperation and desperation: see me, let me be, leave me alone, allow me to exist.

Every cred check, or even shadow of a cred check, is starting to lead to this defensiveness: we're not looking for common ground anymore, we're just looking for the right to keep the ground we already have. And there's the concern that this is going to start driving new female fans away, because all the women who are already there have these laundry lists of "I am a fan because I ________," and some of them are just like "uh, I watch some TV shows?" That's not good. We don't want to lose the next generation of female fans, both because they have a right to this ground, too, and because it would show the cred checkers that they can win: push us hard enough and we go away, or at least stop coming, which can look like the same thing.

I don't think the laundry lists are going to go away. They're bruises, left from being hit too many times, and bruises don't heal instantly. But we should be aware of why the bruises are there, and promise each other not to cred check.

You are safe here. No matter what kind of geek you are, or whether or not I understand your passions.

This ground is yours.
Tags: contemplation, geekiness
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seanan_mcguire

August 1 2013, 14:55:04 UTC 3 years ago

There's no reason not to take pride in what you love? I'm referring to the tendency a lot of us, myself included, have developed to go "Oh, I don't read DC, but I read everything Marvel prints, I'm a big Vertigo girl, I have all the Dark Horse Warren collections, you know, the big ones you could use to kill a man, so you see, I'm allowed to be here." The conversation doesn't have to be a cross-examination. "You like DC? Neat. I never got into it," should be all that's required of us.

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beccastareyes

August 1 2013, 15:29:19 UTC 3 years ago

Or/and "How do you feel about Marvel? I read everything they print." Instead of making it 'I am allowed to be here too!' it becomes 'Do we share an aspect of fannishness beyond general 'Western Superhero comics'?'.

Not required, of course. Hell, I assume if you think spending time/money at a con is a good idea*, then you are 'geeky enough' to be at a con. And if you don't, you still could be 'geeky enough', since con culture is not the be-all and end-all of fan culture.

* And if you are a non-geek working the con or supervising a minor or whatever reason you have to be at a con, then you also have a right to be present and to not have to produce 'geek credentials' or be harassed. You have a reason to be there; there's no 'you must be this much of a geek to enter' sign.

hoppytoad79

August 1 2013, 20:53:35 UTC 3 years ago

"You like DC? Neat. I never got into it," should be all that's required of us.

I totally agree. Fandom is totally a 'to each their own' thing. There is no better or worse, only different.

mariadkins

August 1 2013, 23:26:19 UTC 3 years ago

mari concurs

Hunger Games

semiotic_pirate

August 9 2013, 19:22:17 UTC 3 years ago

I think of Hunger Games as a Hero's Journey type of tale, but definitely not a superhero movie. Is every tale of heroes going to be mislabeled as a tale of super-heroic proportions?

Now this is making me think of the exact boundaries of what the difference truly is between your "average" hero and the superhero. Does the latter get restricted to only certain modes of story-telling (like comic books), it obviously doesn't require super powers of an otherworldly or supernatural nature (Batman is always the prime example of this). Is it that the superhero - and here Batman meets the qualifications - has more than the average persons' ability to meet, and defeat, villainy? Whereas examples of the former, our "average" hero is primarily a person that responds courageously (to an outsider's eyes) to ordinary and extraordinary circumstances?

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