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Go then, gunslinger; there are other worlds than these: Seanan ponders Amazon Worlds.

So last week, while I was at Disney World, the "Amazon Worlds" program was announced. In a nutshell, Amazon has acquired a "derivative works" license for certain properties (inc. Pretty Little Liars and The Vampire Diaries), which will allow people to publish authorized fanfic through Amazon Worlds. It can't be smutty, and there are no crossovers allowed at this time (even between the properties Amazon has already licensed), but genfic in a single universe is completely okay.*

Now, from a strictly "I am a child of the fanfic mines" standpoint, I can see two really awesome aspects to this:

1. If I publish through Amazon Worlds, I can't be sued for playing in someone else's sandbox.
2. I could get paid.

Let me be very clear here: right now, under the law, you can't be paid for fanfic, because then you're abusing someone else's intellectual property. By creating this license, Amazon has essentially set up a licensed tie-in factory, which allows for payment of authors without any illicit exploitation of someone else's IP. There's even a clause in the Amazon Works program which makes it okay for the IP holders to read the fanfic-for-pay: the rules state that if the IP holders want something you created and put in your Amazon Worlds-published fanfic, they can just take it. Since most of the "no please, don't tell me" attitude among some creators comes from fear of being accused later of stealing someone else's ideas, this is a great protection for IP holders.** For fanfic creators, maybe not so much.

"But wait," some people may cry, "are you saying you want fanfic creators to erode your copyright?" No. I am not. For one thing, copyright doesn't work that way. But original characters in fanfic sometimes shed the skins of their origins and go on to have adventures and worlds of their own. A lot of today's working authors started in the fanfic mines, and many of them brought their OCs with them when they moved on. It's easy enough to change things—Penny from The Rescuers becoming Jenny in Oliver and Company when Disney realized they didn't want to put those moves in the same continuity—but still, it creates a potential muddy water scenario that would make me uneasy if I were a fanfic writer in those fandoms, considering submitting stories that contained original characters or ideas. There's also the concern that, well...fanfic writers like to share our toys. My fanon could wind up in your fic could wind up on the show, becoming canon. And yeah, most of us would kill for that, but since there's no way of tracing things back, it could become a case of "I borrow your ideas, the show takes what they think are my ideas, you were never consulted, you didn't get to opt in."

As for the question of payment, I regularly pay people for fan art of Emma Frost, which then hangs in my house, because I am a nerd. Why should paying someone for fanfic, under the right set of conditions, be any different?

But this is all sort of speculation and relatively harmless "maybe." I mean, much of what Stephen Moffat has done as the showrunner of Doctor Who is make his fanon canon, and it hasn't hurt him any; I dream of the day I get to start making some of my X-Men fanon canonical. What concerns me more is the possibility that creating "licensed fanfic" as a category will lead to more of a legal crackdown on "unlicensed fanfic." "Oh, sorry, your archive is outside the bounds of our derivative works licensing, here is your C&D."***

I've seen a lot of people talk about how fanfic works because it is a community effort. And I've seen a lot of the "ha ha all fic is porn, this won't fly" laughing. But what I haven't seen much of is acknowledgement that fanfic is a way for marginalized people to take control of stories that are so often aimed at a sort of safely privileged able-bodied straight male whiteness, engage with them, and fall more deeply in love for that engagement. Fanfic gave me women who were allowed to be strong, not stuffed into refrigerators. It gave me lesbians and bisexual women, and people who owned their often messed-up sexuality. And it gave them to me in the framework of a world I already knew and loved and was aching to interface with as a coherent equal, not as someone treated as a "fringe viewer" by the main narrative.

Yeah, there's a lot of porn. But don't we all deserve a little porn every once in a while?

Fanfic is a huge, collaborative, interactive way for people to be a part of the stories that they love, and I worry that Amazon Worlds is a big step, not toward monetizing fanfic, but toward mainstreaming it in a way that will sap many of the qualities that make it so important. The minute I can say "sorry, this fanfic over here is licensed, and yours is not, so cut it the fuck out," there is a problem. People need to be unafraid to write their stories, the way they want to write them, and learn in the process.

So yeah. I am leery and concerned.

(*This is my understanding based on a reading of the program rules, and based on discussion by other people. I could be wrong. If I am, I'll update.)
(**This is not true of everyone. Some people just hate fanfic. I've never understood that, so I can't really speak to it, but it's a real and pervasive point of view, so I don't want to sound like I'm speaking for those folks.)
(***Technically those C&Ds would be legal even now. I've seen them served. But without something like Amazon Worlds to be held up as proof that fanfic writers are somehow "stealing income" from either the IP holder(s) or the publishing program, they seem to be short-term things that everyone quietly forgets about.)
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aliciaaudrey

June 4 2013, 01:09:32 UTC 4 years ago Edited:  June 4 2013, 01:15:57 UTC

They want fanfic recognized as a legal exercise of fair use, which is a bit different from what I'm more getting at (which is that I think rights holders kinda collectively just go 'okay, yeah, I'm going to pretend I don't see that as long as you're not trying to cash in on my setting EVEN IF you're technically committing a very mild infringement on my copyright'). Think of it being more like the bored cop going "I just watched you jaywalk across a street with absolutely no traffic on it and you know, I don't think I'm going to give you a ticket for that even though I could as long as you don't do it while shooting up and attempting to purchase an underaged hooker."

I just don't think fanfic, as long as nobody's profiting off it, actually damages the value of the copyright in any significant way, and may be potentially even helpful to the copyright (by driving sales and interest in the property). That's not my legal opinion, however (I don't know enough about it to have a legal opinion). it's my semi-informed opinion colored by a legal education. Doesn't seem worth the bother of chasing fanfic writers around in circles, y'know? I think, say, e-book piracy is a much, much more pressing problem. That DOES cost sales. I'm not convinced fan-fiction does, even if it's not a fair use, and I've thought pretty hard about that, given that 'supporting content creators who make stuff I like and whom I would like to keep making stuff I like' is pretty darn important to my value system.

Their post on Kindle Worlds is pretty interesting (http://transformativeworks.org/news/what-fans-should-know-about-amazons-kindle-worlds-program). They don't address my primary concern--what happens if you want to use your original contributions later in an original story--but I suppose I don't find that surprising given their focus. I doubt they're happy about this program, however. If someone starts getting commercial use out of fanfic, it's going to start to get a lot easier for copyright holders to justify shutting noncommercial fanfic down. One of the big stumbling blocks to actually SHOWING fanfic is a copyright infringement (which I think it might be on a technical level) is showing who's profiting from it. I mean, really? People lose money on this stuff. I've got friends who manage fanfic site portal things and they pay money to keep that sucker running. They're certainly NOT making money off it. (They have also learned better than to ask me my legal opinion of fanfic at parties and I have learned not to answer as this tends to end in people either sulking in a corner at me or tickling me and I don't really like those outcomes.)

But if this really takes off, it demonstrates there IS a potential harm because there's a market that the copyright holder COULD THEORETICALLY eventually choose to enter for licensed fanfictional work. Think of it like "I haven't sold the movie rights to JimBob's Amazing Panda Adventure" but I could, so Richard over there making a movie out of JimBob's Amazing Panda Adventure is harming me because it will now be harder for me to monetize my movie rights."
Also, from the comments section of the TW article link you posted:

from an AW author:

http://transformativeworks.org/comment/14106#comment-14106
Interesting comment. The "why are they calling this fanfic it's really a license" thing is a valid observation. I think the reason people keep glomming onto the "fanfic" label, though, is that licensed works (of which there are a lot, in addition to "shared worlds" like George RR Martin's Wild Cards) usually have a submission and vetting process for possible publication. If I, Star Wars Fan #1, wanted to publish a Extended Universe Star Wars novel, there's a formal way I would submit a proposal that isn't that dissimilar from the way novels and short stories and such are usually queried. There isn't one here, or at least, not much of one, and they're clearly soliciting the fanfic writers.

I'm sure Amazon isn't sitting there and going Mwhahahaha let us now rip off writers (although several other writers have blogged that the "deal" the fanfic writers will be getting is pretty poor by industry standards.) But I am concerned it's opening a can of worms that's highly problematic and I DO think Amazon wants a lot more control over the publishing industry than the have now (and they already have a lot.)
Technical observation: shared worlds are really a different animal entirely, although there are a few that have been created (and are therefore owned) by packagers -- notably, in this context, a company called Bill Fawcett & Associates.

The ownership of shared-world material varies from one example to the next. In some cases, there's a creator with a core copyright in the master setting (Terri Windling, as herself or under her Endicott Studio, the Bordertown series), where in others it's less formal (the "Liavek" series edited by Will Shetterly and Emma Bull). The Wild Cards business model is, as far as I know, unique -- the core copyrights are held by the Wild Cards Trust (to which all contributors must belong), and there is a complicated formula whereby the creator of a given character gets paid for any use of that character in any Wild Cards story, no matter what signatory to the Trust wrote the story in question. [I don't know what the formula is, but I do know a writer who has become part of the newest generation of Wild Cards contributors.]

In any event, licensing as it's applied to the Kindle Worlds franchises mostly does not apply to shared-world settings (with certain rare exceptions; I believe the Thieves' World property was at one point licensed by a publisher of role-playing games, for instance).
I've always wondered how that worked in a technical sense. Thanks for sharing!
although several other writers have blogged that the "deal" the fanfic writers will be getting is pretty poor by industry standards

Indeed it is!