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Life is not a zero-sum game: the VERONICA MARS movie and Kickstarter.

I'm just going to get this out of the way before I say anything else:

THERE'S GOING TO BE A VERONICA MARS MOVIE THERE'S GOING TO BE A VERONICA MARS MOVIE THE KICKSTARTER FUNDED AND THERE'S GOING TO BE A VERONICA MARS MOVIE!!!!

Ahem. Look, my cat is named "Lilly Kane," there's a signed poster hanging in my guest room, what do you want from me? I wear my geeky heart upon my sleeve. And now, on to the actual substantive post you may have hoped was hiding here. To whit:

Yesterday morning, Rob Thomas, creator of the show Veronica Mars and author of books such as Rats Saw God and Slave Day, announced a Kickstarter to make a Veronica Mars movie. The Kickstarter, which is still going, had a target of two million dollars, with reward levels starting for a $10 donation. Here's a link:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/559914737/the-veronica-mars-movie-project

The Kickstarter raised its first million in four hours. Last night, I watched it click over the two million dollar mark. There was much rejoicing, because dude. Veronica Mars movie. I shrieked, I chair-danced, and all was right with the world...

...only not, because it turns out a lot of people are really perturbed by the fact that a movie which will have corporate backing (Rob Thomas is not the Veronica Mars intellectual property owner, which means Warner Brothers has to be involved) was asking for money on Kickstarter. Mind you, no one held a gun to my head and forced me to fund this project; no one forced me to sit here carefully considering the reward tiers and choosing the one which came with the most awesome swag. No one clicked the button for me. But somehow, my backing this movie has stolen projects from indie artists who really needed it.

And unto this do I say: bullshit.

The world is not a zero-sum game. Yes, if I have one dollar, and I give it to Sunil, I am not going to be able to give it to Vixy. But if I only have one dollar, I'm not giving it to anybody. I'm keeping it for myself, to live. I am an artist and a creator of art, and I know as well as anyone that art is a luxury: art is something that we pay for after we've paid for food and housing and heat in the winter and all the other things that keep our physical bodies going. Yes, I do believe that we need art to live, but that's a spiritual and emotional life, not a "I can no longer breathe because Fringe is off the air" life. They are different.

So let's say that I've paid for my necessities, my survival is assured, and I have a dollar to give to a super-deserving project. Obviously, if I give it to one person, I can't give it to anyone else (although I could give both people fifty cents, but I digress). And you know what? That experimental retelling of The Crucible with sock puppets probably needs my dollar more than the Veronica Mars movie. But I'm paying for my luxuries here. I'm paying for what I want. And what I want is to see Logan, and Veronica, and my fictional friends again. I miss them.

The Veronica Mars movie did not take my dollars away from "more deserving" projects, because no one gets to measure that but the person who holds the dollars. Me. And Sunil, and Chris, and Rae, and every other Veronica Mars fan I know. Rob Thomas did not violate the Kickstarter terms and conditions: I know, I checked. I am not somehow being rooked into paying for something that I will then have to pay for again: I chose a reward level that gave me enough stuff that I felt the price tag was justified (and they did a great job of balancing the rewards; $10 gets you a PDF of the script, and that's reasonable, if you're a fan of the show). Yes, I'll have to pay if I want to see the movie in the theater, but that's paying the theater, which has its own bills to take care of (and will feed me delicious popcorn).

Life is not a zero-sum game. Kickstarter is not a zero-sum game. The money I am willing to shake out of the couch cushions for Veronica Mars is not the money I am willing to shake out of the couch cushions for anything else. Living in a capitalistic society means I get to pay for what I want, and saying that it was tacky of Rob to even ask, when there was no better funding channel available, is missing the point.

You do not have to want what I want. No one does. But just like I don't get to say "the things you want are worthless and not worth wanting, come want this other thing instead," nobody gets to make that statement to me. And there is nothing that makes "I want two million dollars to make a movie of a TV show that the network canceled, that the studio won't fund, but that the fans adore" any more or less legitimate of a request than anything else. And "Well, what if the studios start holding your shows hostage?" doesn't scare me. I've been waiting to be able to pay for the things I love, to count directly with my dollars, not just as a shadow of a Nielsen household, for a long time.

It's not a zero-sum game. But it's a good one.
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I could see Kickstarter's ad space for popular projects being dominated by projects that don't need an extra dollar, but...

Well, that already happens with other popular properties. Let's face it, the Kickstarter run for Homestuck, or to reprint The Order of the Stick, or anything that has a large audience will get a lot more donations than the Kickstarter run by two people out of their basements. Hell, I'd even argue that the various anthology Kickstarters I've funded were brought to my attention because they brought authors they liked on board (or at least in the cheerleading section) and they told me.

The ones who need advertising are probably not the ones who have markets so readily built in, and that's true regardless of corporate involvement or not.
Exactly.

dragonsally

4 years ago

Wordy McWord. I have a friend, sort of, who ranted at length about Amanda Palmer's and Bjork's Kickstarters: "They're already rich as hell! They should be giving it away for free! And their music sucks anyway!"

Dude. That's not how it works. Also, no. ಠ_ಠ
Uuuugh.

Sometimes people make me tired.

(Not you.)

palmer_kun

4 years ago

dragonsally

4 years ago

briargrey

4 years ago

dragonsally

4 years ago

Come to think of it, you actually do owe me a dollar, not Vixy.

ZOMG VM MOVIE IT'S REALLY HAPPENING WHAT IS THIS LIFE.
I CONTROL THE UNIVERSE.

vixyish

4 years ago

~applauds~ Thank you for writing this. (And for funding it. Since, really cool thing, that I want funded, but my precious dollar decisions go elsewhere.)
(Which is something I fully understand, and is part of why I was happy to fund.)
Thank you for this post and for raising such good points. They also mentioned Warner Brothers in the video. It wasn't like they kept the company's involvement a secret.

What is really bad though is that I want to run around my office dancing I am so thrilled. You wrote a serious post and I almost didn't make it past the fantastic news.

I am so excited.
Me, too!
I saw a bunch of people grousing about this on Twitter and elsewhere, mainly along the lines of: "You've forked your money over to a project THAT MIGHT SUCK!"

To which I say: Bullshit. Like anything you spend money on, there's a risk that anything you buy, fund or donate to - there's no guarantee that it'll be perfect or even good. That's the risk. But, by pledging some money, hopefully, it won't be any of those things.
I know, right? ANYTHING can suck. It's not a magical punishment reserved for the greedy. ANYTHING.

jeditrilobite

4 years ago

jeditrilobite

4 years ago

dornbeast

4 years ago

dormouse_in_tea

4 years ago

kyrielle

4 years ago

I have been OVER THE MOON about this project since I heard about it. There might have been squealing heard on the moon when the 2 mil point was reached. And I honestly think this is AMAZING for fandom in general. I mean, really amazing. Because now we can talk with our dollars about what we'd like to see.

That said, I am totally unsurprised that people are complaining about this. Annoyed, absolutely but completely unsurprised.
Sadly, I am much the same.
I agree with what you said.
"But somehow, my backing this movie has stolen projects from indie artists who really needed it."
All I can say is that if some indie artist wants MY money to fund his or her project then they'd better have a project that I'm interested in and not something schlocky that's a waste of time and money that NO ONE wants to see except the artist.
Which leads me to a question:

Is there a place on kickstarter (or somewhere else) that you can suggest likely projects? To professionals who might be looking for likely suggestions? I've got a whole stack of older fantasy novels I'd love to see turned into movies!
:D



Not that I am aware of, which doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

rhodielady_47

4 years ago

themysteriousg

4 years ago

rhodielady_47

4 years ago

dornbeast

4 years ago

rhodielady_47

4 years ago

vixyish

4 years ago

rhodielady_47

4 years ago

I am so STOKED that there is going to be a Veronica Mars movie. STOKED.

However, my issue with the kickstarter is not that the money could have gone to other projects. People clearly love the show and are expressing their love by spending money on it. I don't think there is anything wrong with that, because worth is an aspect of personal value.

My issue has to do with Warner Bros. and the fact that they have billions of dollars to spend and could have easily have spent 2 million on the movie instead of making Rob go through kickstarter to accomplish it. But that's a small quibble for me, because THERE'S GOING TO BE A VERONICA MARS MOVIE, which is really the important thing.
Corporate Warner Bros. was never going to spend the money without someone else mitigating the risk on the project, which is where Kickstarter/Rob Thomas came in.

Which for me, is why it's so damn wonderful that it funded so quickly.

blythe025

4 years ago

seanan_mcguire

4 years ago

mrs_norris_mous

4 years ago

blythe025

4 years ago

angelan

4 years ago

landley

4 years ago

blythe025

4 years ago

mizkit

4 years ago

blythe025

4 years ago

I don't understand why there's so much more resistance to someone, say, pre-pledging $35 to a project they want to see happen - and getting a copy of the eventual movie and a t-shirt - then there is to just spending that $35 to buy a dvd or t-shirt that's already made. We don't (usually) try to tell people that they shouldn't ever go to the movies or buy a book because that money could be donated to starving children instead. But anything that involves asking for money on the internet is expected to pass some sort of charity worthyness test, even when it's very upfront about not presenting itself as a charity at all.
Right?

I don't get it either.

reedrover

4 years ago

THANK YOU.

I swear to Crom, I do NOT understand the haters on this one. Don't like the project? Freaking don't back it! It's just ridiculous.

Because of this project? I'm actually going to finally *watch* the series. How's that for a wonderful set of things? And I don't think I'm alone in that. What Rob Thomas and Kristen Bell did here was wonderful and amazing.

In reality it just shows how great the tool works for those of us who can't get our projects done in traditional modes. And I say this as an indie filmmaker. Their success gives me enormous hope.
Yes.

This.

themysteriousg

4 years ago

Me, I also gave them money. Veronica Mars! Totally awesome. Even if the third season did kinda suck.

People want Kickstarter to be something that I don't think it really is. It's an interesting experiment, an alternative way of generating an income stream. It is not, as far as I can tell, a revolutionary tool to destroy capitalism or even a method of enforcing ideological purity on artists. Oddly, it reminds me of some of the struggles that food co-ops in Minneapolis have gone through. Those came about because of different impulses: cheap food for poor people, support for organic and sustainable agriculture, and an economic model other than capitalism. Unsurprisingly, there were intense conflicts both internally and between co-ops because of these differing ideas of what the point was in the first place. People thought that because the organization was similar that the goals and principles were similar. Doesn't work that way. Different people want different things, and tools can be put to many different purposes. Kickstarter is an interesting tool, and we'll see it put to many interesting uses. Some of which I won't approve of. But I also won't contribute to them.

And I totally love your point that the world is not a zero sum game. Thank you so much.

P.S. Just bought and read _Midnight Blue-light Special_ and adored it all to pieces.
Some of which I won't approve of. But I also won't contribute to them.

Best philosophy is best.

And thank you! I adore it, too. :)
People get so weird about Kickstarter...For Amanda Palmer's they got bent out of shape about how she was spending the money even though as far as I know she delivered everything she promised and spent more of the money than she had originally asked for to make a more awesome project. There's a certain point in over funding one of these things where people have to realize that as long as you get what you paid for the artist gets to do what they want with the rest...I'm not sure why that's hard to understand and if you feel that's wrong, don't throw your money at already funded projects, right?

For this one, yelling about Warner Brothers having to be involved is stupid. Yes, they have lots of money. But they were NOT going to fund the movie ever and if they're willing to bless doing it this way (which they didn't have to) if it works then I don't know why people are complaining. It's not like Warner Brothers are sitting there cackling that they don't have to pay a dime for this awesome thing (well, maybe they are but so am I, so there :-p) I've funded plenty of kickstarters and I'll probably fund a bunch more. I fund the ones I'm interested in. Sometimes that means a small grungy movie made by three people and a dream, sometimes that means a two million dollar movie that I didn't think there was ever a prayer of being made. I don't decide these things on who's doing it but if it looks nifty so if I didn't fund your project, well, I either didn't hear about it or it didn't appeal to me.

Also. Veronica Mars movie *bounce* I seriously thought we were going to biting our nails at the end of the month begging people to fund the rest of it! I didn't expect it to happen on the first day!
Never underestimate the power of the Marshmallows.

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landley

4 years ago

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...ha!

(PS: Squee!)
I am endlessly amused by how a certain percentage of the population thinks they have the moral authority to tell others how they can (and can not) spend their own personal money. I mean, sure, if it was a Kickstarter project versus my thyroid meds, that's one thing. But anything I fund on Kickstarter comes out of my mad money, not my groceries and mortgage money. So anyone who thinks they can tell me what to spend it on can go jump in a lake.
Nooooooo not the lake!

THINK OF THE FROGGIES!

dornbeast

4 years ago

archangelwells

4 years ago

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Go for it.

I'm pleased that it's funded because "yay VM movie". Saying that it takes money from other projects is as silly as saying that seeing the movie will remove the fun of seeing other movies. As if having my heart full of squee for a VM movie means that I'm not also going to look forward to the next Avengers movie! Or the next Doctor Who episode, because ALL THE FUN is limited or something bizarre like that.

I'll look forward to going to see the movie, even as I have no intention of funding the Kickstarter (which is just as valid a choice and is the wonderful thing about kickstarter. Also sadly the rewards in this case exclude me, much sadnesses).



I'm not sure why international backers are excluded, although I know they're working on it; I'm assuming it has something to do with Warner Bros being the primary rights-holder.

But regardless, backing, not backing, both totally valid: agreed.
I'm just waiting patiently for them to work out the behind the scenes issues to allow international backers.

(and it's not Kickstarter, since I have backed a ton of other projects, and have ebooks, and Tobias Buckell hardcovers, etc to prove it)
I think it's the studio involvement.

okayokayigive

March 14 2013, 17:13:04 UTC 4 years ago Edited:  March 14 2013, 17:13:34 UTC

Yes. Yes, yes, yes. There seems to be this weirdly skewed view that just because a project (or company) is independent (or local to the buyer), they are more deserving of a consumer's dollars than larger companies. And yeah, sure - support small businesses and indie projects WOO!...but they're not somehow entitled to sales/dollars because of that. I backed Dice Rings because it was an AWESOME idea. I backed a local food truck because I really love their tacos. I backed the Veronica Mars movie because IT'S THE VERONICA MARS MOVIE and watching the money ticker go up made me bawl because THIS IS HAPPENING WE'RE GETTING A MOVIE AND THERE WAS SMOLDERING and I'm losing my point.

As consumers, we buy things (once our needs are met) that: a) interest us b) we want to throw money at c) we feel connected to. For some people, that's all indie, all the time. But yanno what, for some of us? It's not. And if we all lived by the same set of "only buy this type of thing" rules, the world would be a rather dull place.

VERONICA MARS MOVIE! (Can we get Duncan in a chicken suit? I'm not the only one who remembers the Duncan = Chicken Boo thing, right?)
You are totally not the only one.
Funny, the only complaints I have heard -- from me, yes, but not ONLY from me -- are that none of the options are available internationally. Because of this, I am not willing to donate -- but I'm happy that US-based friends have donated, and have asked for international options to be added. I'm hopeful (but doubtful) that the movie will open in my city; if not, well, it will eventually be available through normal retail channels.

But they've mentioned they are looking into this issue, so I hope that in the next 30 days I *can* back the project. I don't mind WB getting some pre-funding to prove viability, because now there will be a movie, and had there been no campaign there would also have been no movie. I just have to hope that the right people come back for the movie.

I was very amused that Veronica Mars was the answer to a trivia question last night ("What 3 season tv show did both Alyson Hannigan and Charisma Carpenter guest star in?").

I think the international thing is because of the studio backing. I'm hopeful that they'll resolve it quickly.

jillheather

4 years ago

amberswansong

4 years ago

jillheather

4 years ago

I have had my head in the clouds (or someplace) because I totally missed the part where people were bitching...I'm not surprised, I just missed it. That being said....squee...we just finished watching the series and I am delighted that there is going to be a movie...

p.s. just finished Midnight, Blue-Light Special...good stuff, Maynard.
Movie yes yay!
Heck, I'd have happily paid $10 to fund a Quantum Leap movie that would have undone NBC's final episode butchery. :)
Ha!

autographedcat

4 years ago

billroper

4 years ago

autographedcat

4 years ago

I'm so excited by this. :D
Me, too.
Another point is that while Kickstarter is great at funding things that can't be funded any other way, and that alone justifies its existence, it also serves another really cool purpose: it gives me, the consumer, a clear voice in what gets made that in some cases becomes a direct line to the gatekeepers of conventionally-funded art. By funding a Kickstarter, I can clearly say "I actually want more of this and will pay money to get it" rather than relying on more complicated feedback mechanisms that may have a historical habit of erasing me or other minorities (e.g. female geek in my case, POC, LGBTQ folks, etc.).

I don't object at all when a Kickstarted novel gets a regular book contract later. In fact, I think it's awesome---it means that by funding Kickstarters I can actually change publishers minds about series they've dismissed or killed. I don't see why the same shouldn't go for film projects or music projects or anything else.
EXACTLY!

vixyish

4 years ago

Oh, good grief. It's your money, it's your business how you spend it, and nobody else's.
That was my thought.
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