This past week, the Saturday night movie was The End of the World. It was about a group of geeks who owned/worked at a video store specializing in disaster movies, the judgmental SO of the geek who actually owned the store, the faintly evil cousin of the geek who actually owned the store, the disapproving parent of one of the geeks who worked at the store, the disaster guru idol of all the geeks, and a bunch of extras. The extras fell into three categories: evil looters who wanted to take stuff from our heroic geeks, assholes at the mental hospital where the disaster guru had been committed, and people at the military base.
Now. Looking only at what I've written above, how many of these characters were female? If you guessed "judgmental SO" and "disapproving parent," then ding ding ding! We have a winner!
None of the geeks were women. The SO even knowing what the Death Star was called was treated as a virtual miracle, and something so hot as to make the alpha geek temporarily forget about saving the planet, because she was speaking Forbidden Knowledge, yo. She was saying things that implied girls could be geeks too, and man, that was so impossible it was like she was demonstrating super powers! The mother figure was literally introduced calling one of the secondary geeks at work and asking him how the job search was going, because it was time for him to get a real job, in the real world, amirite girls? (The SO had a similar speech.) That's how we should interact with geeks! We should drag them kicking and screaming into respectability, because no one can ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever be happy and fulfilled just being a professional fan of things. And women can't even start being fans of things. It's not allowed.
None of the extras were female. None of the secondary characters, apart from the two listed above, were female. One of the female characters was there to nag and be a burden; the other was there to be a prize and to be enlightened about how Geek Things = Man Things and Man Things = Awesome.
And here's the thing. None of these characters—not a single fucking one—had such a gendered role that their character could not have been played by a member of the opposite sex. Testosterone did not unlock the key to saving the world. Estrogen did not cause the cataclysm. You could have literally flipped a fucking coin for every single role, and cast accordingly. "Whoops, female lead, male antagonist, female love interest..." Better yet, make it a d10, and if you roll a ten, roll again for assigned birth gender, and then go from there. "Female lead, male antagonist, ftm love interest..." It would have been the same damn movie.
But they didn't do that. They went with boys and boys and boys, and an exclusionist narrative that had me saying sadly "I like disaster movies. I exist, too."
I wound up stopping the movie halfway through because the lack of female voices had become so alienating to me that I needed to wait a while before I came back and finished watching. It was an okay movie. I won't be watching it again. There's no one for me there.
Men can identify with women, and should. Women can identify with men, and should. But there's a big difference between saying "Seanan, you should have been able to identify with the struggles of the protagonist, regardless of gender," and saying "Seanan, you should have been able to accept a world that cast your gender into the role of harpy and martinet, and not felt objectified or rejected by this setting." I did identify with Owen. I did care about his story.
It was everything around him that lost me. And honestly, I'm still lost, and I've been lost too many times.
Sometimes it would be nice to be found.
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February 25 2013, 23:04:01 UTC 4 years ago
Word.
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February 25 2013, 23:18:29 UTC 4 years ago Edited: February 25 2013, 23:21:13 UTC
One of my best friends was denied entry into a Magic the Gathering tournament because 'women are no good at this and we don't want to waste our time explaining how to play.' She later came in second at a tournament, but was 'disqualified' on grounds that were never explained.
So yes, this is the sadly common mentality among geekdom, but it doesn't make it right, nor does making women the 'foils' to geeks ring true. There are many women gamers and fans of shows like Firefly, Star Wars, Star Trek out there and it's time 'geekdom' woke up to that fact.
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February 25 2013, 23:31:21 UTC 4 years ago
Sounds like they're doing what they said. Sadly.
February 26 2013, 00:43:02 UTC 4 years ago Edited: February 26 2013, 00:44:24 UTC
They probably even said something to the effect of "By openly disagreeing with us, and producing contrary factual evidence, you're STILL proving us right to believe as we do!"
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February 25 2013, 23:48:20 UTC 4 years ago
It could be an interesting exercise to structure a story around basic character tropes that are often gendered, but to then flip a coin as you suggest to determine their genders. Hmm...
February 26 2013, 00:47:36 UTC 4 years ago
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February 25 2013, 23:53:02 UTC 4 years ago Edited: February 25 2013, 23:57:44 UTC
It's also why I can't bring myself to watch The Big Bang Theory anymore.
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February 26 2013, 00:03:36 UTC 4 years ago
As Major Glory said to the Powerpuff Girls, "Actually... we were kinda hoping you might let us join your club."
-TG
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February 26 2013, 00:53:19 UTC 4 years ago Edited: February 26 2013, 00:53:43 UTC
It makes me think that maybe I don't identify with men, because they're actually all secret aliens who don't understand 50% of their own species. That's what they're always telling me, anyway.
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For the record: I have a long, prestigious geek heritage on both sides of my family. Mom bought and read a new Superman comic every week. Grandma had her own pet Tribble (it made that adorable little noise when squeezed) and faithfully recorded Star Trek: The Next Generation every night. My cousin knows more about the planet Mars than anyone I know, and got me reading Robin McKinley. My other cousin took me to see The Matrix for the first time. My brother and I used to fight over our old Gameboy. (We only had one and had to share. The old one, the exact shape, size and weight of a brick.) Last time the whole family got together? We got into a debate on who really wrote "Nightfall"--Robert Silverburg or Isaac Asimov. (Answer: Asimov wrote the short story, Silverburg adapted it into a novel.) I guess I'm lucky that I was raised in such a geek-friendly environment. My geekness was never questioned; if someone happened to heap derision on geekdom, they were put right very quickly.
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...actually, I'm not sure there are any straight white male human major characters in series 1-3. The Doctor is about as human as the Luidaeg, Capt Jack isn't straight, Mickey isn't white, Jackie Tyler isn't male, Rose Tyler isn't male, Martha Jones is neither male nor white, Donna Noble isn't male, and Harold Saxon is just as white, male and human as the Doctor.
Straight White Male jumps into the pond
February 26 2013, 06:20:50 UTC 4 years ago
Also, when it was good, it was very good children's adventure television indeed.
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It's really too bad you couldn't remake this movie with genders changed around. A total gender flip or only some genders changed, your call, but one where females aren't underrepresented.
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February 26 2013, 11:12:35 UTC 4 years ago
And when I see a group that has a total absence of women, there's the judgmental voice in my mind that says "Is there a reason why women are avoiding this group?" because I know that in real life, geekdom is an insufficient explanation.
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February 26 2013, 11:36:53 UTC 4 years ago Edited: February 26 2013, 11:46:54 UTC
I had a long and kind of uncomfortable conversation with my brother after a movie about space aliens trying to take over the Wild West. About the Bechdel movie measure* (which the movie did not pass.) The end of it went something like "When I go to the movies I go to a world where my gender mostly exists to get the *real* people moving."
*For those who haven't heard of this yet, a movie passes the Bechdel Movie Measure if it 1) has more than one female character 2) who talk to each other 3) about something that is not a man. If a woman asks another woman where to find the bathroom, the movie passes. It's not a particularly demanding measure. Whether a single movie passes it or not is not really the point; the thing is that *most* mainstream movies fail it. Unless that has changed in the past year or so but I'd be surprised.
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February 26 2013, 11:54:54 UTC 4 years ago
I can't say I'm surprised at this from the Syphilis Channel. They have been astoundingly -ist and out of touch for many years now.
Now, the fact that this is a problem damn near everywhere else, and that in writer's groups, the idea of questioning why the epic fantasy hero should be a straight white male, the reaction is literally like a *the More You Know* gif... yeah >_<
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