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Clothes and covers, and why sometimes, characters choose.

I love Emma Frost.

I love her characterization, I love that she's never actually changed herself for the sake of the men in her life, I love that she will melt your brain out your ears if you annoy her, and I love that she is completely upfront about how much work it is to look the way she does. Plastic surgery, dieting, push-up bras, and hair dye: check. Painful shoes, fabric tape, and baby powder to avoid chafing: check. Emma is all about appearances, and she never pretends that it's easy.

I also love that she has flat-out said, several times, that she dresses the way she does for the effect it gets. This is a female comic book character who, possibly uniquely in the comic book world, is actually working the male gaze. She wants to be underestimated by opponents. She wants to be taken for a slutty slutty slut slut who can't possibly have earned a damn thing. And when people treat her badly because they don't like what she wears, she calls them on it.

Now, Emma is not always appropriate. Not going to pretend she is. But she's always Emma. Even on the occasions when she's fully clothed. She's a character who makes choices, and sometimes those choices require telekinesis to stay on.

Which brings me, in a roundabout way, to the cover for Midnight Blue-Light Special, and why I love it so much, and why it's not a better portrayal of Verity. It's just a different one.

Verity Price is a professional ballroom dancer specializing in Latin styles of dance. This means she spends a lot of time wearing outfits that are, as her grandmother puts it, "more rumor than reality." I spent a lot of time hanging out with real ballroom dancers, figuring out how many knives you could conceal under a costume made entirely of fringe (the answer: a surprising number). She can fight in high heels because she can samba in high heels, and once you've done the one, the other comes naturally. This is who she is, as a character and as a person. It's just that she also fights monsters sometimes.

Verity also works as a waitress at a strip club, because something's got to pay for all those bullets. She's wearing her work clothes on the cover to book #1, because it made more sense to put her on the roof in work clothes than in a ballroom costume, and because for Verity, that moment was totally in-character and reasonable. She was, in short, dressed on the cover like she was dressed in the book.

Some people didn't like the cover; that's okay. Nothing is universally liked, not even ice cream and kittens. But some people also got mad on my behalf, because Verity had been "sexualized." And really, she hadn't been. She was presented accurately, as she appeared in the book. It was an accurate portrayal.

Jump forward to the cover for Midnight Blue-Light Special, which I love. Verity is dressed for her other job: monster-hunting. Sensible shoes, sensible trousers, sports bra under the shirt, and look! She's brought a friend! Sarah Zellaby, telepathic mathematician, who is wearing about eight layers of clothing and looks profoundly uncomfortable being even that exposed! Sarah is as de-sexualized on this cover as Verity was sexual on the previous, and again, it's because I asked for it; it's because that's what Sarah is like. She doesn't want you looking at her. She doesn't want to "show a little skin." Bless DAW and my cover artist, Aly Fell, but when I said "Sarah can't be sexy," they didn't try to make her. She's beautiful. She's supposed to be. She's also modest and shy.

Now here's the thing: both Veritys are correct. Both of them look like her. The next time she shows up on a book cover (for volume five, Professional Gore-eography), I'm going to be lobbying for a ballroom dance costume, and she'll probably be accompanied by her heavily-tattooed, cut-off-wearing grandmother (add a giant snake and we'll be able to play urban fantasy cliche bingo with that cover alone). And it will be accurate to the text. And if Sarah ever appears on a cover in a bikini, it'll be because it's somehow accurate to the text (although I can't imagine how).

Making characters like Toby or Sarah dress like Verity is not cool. Making Alice dress like Verity wouldn't be cool, either; she often wears skimpy clothes, but it's for reasons other than "I want to be hot so you'll tip me better." At the same time, assuming that any character who does dress like Verity is somehow being inaccurately represented doesn't seem quite fair to me.

Sometimes a girl just wants to get her Emma Frost on.
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Thanks for the post. I had mixed feelings about the new cover, but figured and hoped it was accurate and appropriate from your pov.

And future Giant Snake - yay!

(I decided against my userpic w/me and ball python in case your readers might be sensitive, but pretend I did?)
I am totally pretending you did, and I am going "awwwwwwww."
I read a couple of comments ridiculing Verity's outfit on the first cover, but it was clear that they hadn't read the book. I didn't care for her first outfit to begin with, either, but once I read the book, it made perfect sense. Still a little pink for my taste, but there's no accounting for the taste of strip club owners! You get it. The artist gets it. It's all good. ::waves at the mice::
It was a little pink for my tastes, too, but it grew on me, especially when I saw how it stood out on the shelves. Like, BAM.
One of the many things I love about DAW is how they listen to us about covers.
100% agreement.
she'll probably be accompanied by her heavily-tattooed, cut-off-wearing grandmother (add a giant snake and we'll be able to play urban fantasy cliche bingo with that cover alone)
Especially if she's posing ass-first, looking over her shoulder!

And if Sarah ever appears on a cover in a bikini, it'll be because it's somehow accurate to the text (although I can't imagine how).
Because Alona Tal is playing her on the TV show and reality is reshaping itself to accommodate my whims.
Grandma doing the Spineless Twist Pose? Priceless!

seanan_mcguire

4 years ago

spectralbovine

4 years ago

I like the cover. I like that it's accurate to the character, regardless of what she's wearing.
Also. I like Emma Frost.
Me, too.
There are days when I'd love for the Emma Frost of today--leader of the X-Men, lover of Scott Summers--to meet her younger self--White Queen of the Hellfire Club, diehard villain--and have the one marvel at how far the other has changed. Because let's face it, Emma's evolution from the early Chris Claremont days, when she was kidnapping young mutants, brainwashing everyone in sight, training Firestar to be an assassin, swapping bodies with Storm, has been long and complex. I'm not sure where the seeds of her heel turn truly began, probably when the Hellions were all killed (in a tremendous waste of potential, dammit), but there are days when I still can't reconcile today's Emma with the Emma I first met. I wonder if she has trouble with it also...

Oh, and yay on the cover. :)
I think you nailed it precisely. With the Hellions. She's never been the same since. Nor should she have been.

Another point of change? Genosha. She's still got scars from that too.

And what scars has the Phoenix left her with?

lots42

4 years ago

seanan_mcguire

4 years ago

Wow. I've said some similar things myself with the same example, but from a slightly different angle. ("Yes, skimpy outfits fit Emma Frost's character perfectly, but no, that is not true for every super-heroine, especially if they are fellow telepaths, no matter how hard you try to pretend that it fits their character by awkwardly wedging in a line of dialogue about it, but these are different characters, so can we just accept that there is no one-size-fits-all clothing choice, make sure the costumes do fit the character, and move on with our lives already?")

I wonder how many of the complaints you've heard stem from readers fearing that others will assume negative things about the book and, in extension, them, based on the cover. Or maybe they just can't move past the pinkness of it.

Pink is a highly controversial color.
I'm not very fond of washed-out, pallid pink. Vibrant pinks and fushias are a different case entirely. IMO Verity looks good in pink - and the covers make a good change, saying 'this girl is wearing pink as just the FIRST way your mind is going to be blown'.

As for pink in history? Very funny that, since it was a young male color until recently. -Guys- got to wear red, which was an expensive, usually non-color-fast dye that would fade. So the hand-me-down would be pink and go to -sons-, not to daughters. Ah, how the times, how they have changed. ^_^

seanan_mcguire

4 years ago

Yes! I loved the way that Discount Armageddon's cover, however much it falls into the stereotype of "Sexy" covers (although not that much, as Verity's pose is plausible, even though as a professional ballroom dancer/martial artist, she probably could have managed an implausible one) is straight out of the narrative.

And I love the cover of Midnight Blue-Light Special because it portrays Verity (and Sarah) in a very different outfit that is -still- straight out of the narrative (not that I've read MBLS, but I do know the characters from the previous novel).

A cover doesn't -have- to represent a scene from the book. Instead, it can be a montage that attempts to describe the book (or whatnot). But it still should be accurate to the book rather than trying to sell something that isn't actually what's between the covers -- that helps nobody.

Also? You can be sexy -- as Verity is, as Emma is, as Black Widow is (hell, as Movie Tony Stark is) -- without being a stereotype or pandering. It's all in how you do it.
Exactly.
All of this is something I need to keep firmly in mind as an artist in the years to come. Character design...it is so easy to put your foot wrong with this realm of detail.

So bloody easy.
Absolutely.
I liked that you have Verity and Sarah and Toby and so on and all of them wear different things and have a sense of style, because it shows that when we see a picture of Verity in her work uniform or a dance costume, it's because you-the-author write all sorts of women and some of them do dress in sexy manners because it tips well/is what female Latin dancers wear/makes opponents underestimate her/she just likes it. And some of them dress in 'unsexy' manners because they like it. It feels real in a way that 'all my female characters in the 16-30 age range happen to like to dress sexy' doesn't.

(Also, it's funny to hear my costumer friends swear at costumes that require TK to stay on and/or were drawn by people who didn't really think about the aspects of constructing, putting on and removing the costume.)
As another costumer, I heartily sympathise.

Back when I was younger and skinnier, I did a bunch of comic book character costumes, and while I never had to resort to double-stick-tape, I did have to build a strapless bra into one and thus had to hold my boobs in place when I ran. I have also run panels on the subject, and usually begin with "First of all, you need to accept the fact that people don't look like that and fabric doesn't do that. Once you get past that, you can probably come up with a feasible and wearable compromise...."

tereshkova2001

4 years ago

wendyzski

4 years ago

tereshkova2001

4 years ago

wendyzski

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wendyzski

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tereshkova2001

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seanan_mcguire

4 years ago

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I'll get right on that.

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I was concerned, perhaps, that the first cover was oversexualized, but since You liked it I wasn't overly concerned. Once I read the book, I felt the same as you - it's an accurate portrayal of the character in clothes from the book.

Have you disliked any of your covers?

Please tell me more about these IceCream and Kittens. I enjoy both.
Nope. I have loved all my covers so far.
Honestly, I love both the covers and I really enjoyed your reasoning behind them too. I can't wait for Midnight Blue-Light Special to be on my shelf. Or probably more accurately, my pile of dubiously balanced books that don't fit on the shelf.

silvery_lass

September 20 2012, 18:11:20 UTC 4 years ago Edited:  September 20 2012, 18:12:52 UTC

One of the reason I read Discount Armaggedon was because of all the pink, I'm getting tired of all the black leather wearing women on covers in the urban fantasy genre.
Amen -- it was very refreshing! (Mind, I like black leather as well, but sometimes one wants something different!) Pink + weapons also fits my kid's mix of Nerf Maces and boffer swords + Disney Princess blanket. Never assume that pink is harmless!

seanan_mcguire

4 years ago

silvery_lass

4 years ago

seanan_mcguire

4 years ago

silvery_lass

4 years ago

lots42

4 years ago

Can I have raspberry sauce on my ice cream and Kittens? Kitten Melba - yum.
Yes, you may.
so, where is she keeping the mice on that cover, I dont see any pockets..
She has a pocket in the leg of her combat-jeans, and Sarah's collar could hide any number of mice, really.

seanan_mcguire

4 years ago

martianmooncrab

4 years ago

One thing I love about your covers is how they are accurate but also pull me in. It seems like that's a really hard balance to get in books. Emma is a great character and this is a wonderful explanation of why. *waves X-Men flag*
I'd add to that, assuming any actual attractive woman who is dressed as a sexy superhero (or other sexy character) is just doing so to get attention isn't fair either. I've yet to hear that to my face, but I'm kind of waiting for it to happen.

Sometimes a girl wants to get her Emma Frost on (or her sexy Starfleet corset on) and sometimes she wants to be Emma Frost, who happens to be sexy.
Ugh I hate that.

And I hope that when it does happen, you start swearing at them in accurate Na'vi.

tereshkova2001

4 years ago

lots42

4 years ago

I love both covers, and, well, I was a ballroom and latin american dancer from 6-16 and competed for most of that time, I can sprint in any pair of heels you can strap my feet into up to about 4 inches (higher with a platform on the front. I wore seven inch heeled boots with a three inch platform to highschool on a regular basis. Got stopped occasionally by teachers who would ask, eyebrow raised, 'do you REALLY think those are suitable for school? and prove myself by sprinting in them~ (black and not higher than ankle boots, said the uniform rules! Nothing about heels at all.) and they always gave in.) and I don't wear skirts on a regular basis because I have absolutely no concept of how to move in them without flashing my underwear at the world, and most days this is not something I want to do.

But somedays, I just wear a short skirt because I want to. And that's for me, the same way as not wearing things like that is for me.

I'm really happy to SEE characters getting to wear more than one style of outfit as well as reading it!

(Off topic - I've wanted to ask since I devoured book one and been too shy to - do Verity's dance dresses have built-in underwear the same as uk dance dresses do, or are USA ones different?)

(multi-duty comment - many congratulations on the NYT list! I LOVED ashes of honour to pieces, now I have to persuade myself to part with my copy long enough to let my mother read it, and I'm failing.)
Some of her dresses have built-in underwear, because that's more sensible. The waltz and long tango costumes don't, usually, because she needs to be more flexible if a combat situation comes up.
You know, honestly, when I saw both covers, I said "Neat!". Maybe because I read the blurb for the first book before I saw the cover. Maybe because I've read DA three times now, and so the MBLS cover made prefect sense. Maybe it's because I trust that you would have pitched eight sorts of fits had the covers been ridiculous in the context of the books. They made sense to me. /shrug/

Also, at least she's not wearing leather pants ALL THE TIME. Do you know how HOT (hot as in temperature, not hot as in hawt) leather pants are? I've read UF where the female protagonist is in like, Atlanta or Austin and she's running around in leather pants and a tank top, "to protect her skin if she gets knocked around". First, she'd sweat to death first. Second, that's about as much protection as wearing a helmet and short shorts while racing down the interstate on a Harley in the rain. Verity's clothing and poses on the cover make sense to both her personality and her environment. I'm sort of shocked that you needed to point that out.
I'm always amazed those characters don't keel over.
I definitely appreciate that the covers actually reflect the characters. My 13 year old dances--she's been wearing heels in tap class for years, so can run and do pretty much anything in heels without a problem (thank goodness she didn't inherit my crappy ankles). So yeah, I totally understand that since Verity can dance that well in heels, she can do damn near anything in them.
Go 13-year-old!
I have to say that I love this post.

I thought both Veritys and Sarah were dressed appropriate for their characters. Whether she's dressed for work or wearing streetclothes, Verity is going to be wearing something she can fight in.

I am very glad.
Love both covers - not often that series' covers allow for a full, well-rounded personality.

Also love to hear the level of influence you have in your covers (and by that I do mean influence, I realize you don't have full control). Have heard some authours say they just wait to see what they're given, & don't have much say.

Bought Ashes yesterday, btw .... so excited to dive in!!!
I am incredibly lucky with the level of input that DAW allows me. I don't know how I'll cope if I have to work with another publisher.
I adore both covers and both depictions of Verity. As soon as I started reading Discount Armageddon I realised why Verity was dressed that way on the cover. She works as a cocktail waitress at a place called Fish and Strips, it makes perfect sense for her to be dressed that way, because she is either on her way to work or on her way home. The new has kept the theme, but it shows a different side of Verity, and it's great that we have Sarah featured and dressed largely as I imagine Sarah to dress from how she's described in the first book.
I know! I am so thrilled by that.
Like how a character is dressed on the cover of a book or not, what matters is if the character is portrayed correctly (to me, at least). What you see on the wrapping should reflect what you'll find inside. Covers that needlessly sexualize characters are a pet peeve.

Verity dresses in different ways depending on where she's headed and what she's going to be doing in DA, so seeing her dressed down on the MBS cover didn't strike me as odd or out-of-character. I prefer seeing her dressed for monster hunting rather than work, but that's just me. Neither cover is better or worse than the other because of what the character(s) is wearing, because both covers are accurate portrayals.
Exactly.
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