Seanan McGuire (seanan_mcguire) wrote,
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ASHES OF HONOR open thread!

To celebrate the release of Ashes of Honor, here. Have an open thread to discuss the book. Judging by the comments I'm seeing, you've had time.

THERE WILL BE SPOILERS.

Seriously. If anyone comments here at all, THERE WILL BE SPOILERS. So please don't read and then yell at me because you encountered spoilers. You were warned. (I will not reply to every comment; I call partial comment amnesty. But I may well join some of the discussion, or answer questions or whatnot.) I will be DELETING all comments containing spoilers which have been left on other posts. No one gets to spoil people here without a label.

You can also start a discussion at my website forums, with less need to be concerned that I will see everything you say! In case you wanted, you know, discussion free of authorial influence, since I always wind up getting involved in these things.

Have fun, and try not to bleed on the carpet.
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apocalypticbob

September 5 2012, 17:08:01 UTC 4 years ago

Haven't read yet, but my thought on picking it up in the store yesterday was, "Oooh! A good meaty book!" There was some serious heft to it... Is it the longest Toby book so far? So eager to finish my errands for the day so I can dive in to it!

tsgeisel

September 6 2012, 01:38:27 UTC 4 years ago Edited:  September 6 2012, 05:13:27 UTC

It actually doesn't seem all that long - longer than Discount Armageddon, but way shorter than the Newsflesh books. I'd put it at approximately the same wordcount [ETA: as all the other Toby books] (with a small margin of error).

seanan_mcguire

4 years ago

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liadan_m

September 5 2012, 17:17:40 UTC 4 years ago

So worth it. Thank you. Working my through it more slowly this time - Why is it Dreamer's Glass? Shadowed Hills makes sense even in my middle-america brain, but I get the sense it should be obvious...

amazon_syren

September 5 2012, 17:23:37 UTC 4 years ago

For all of ALH, I thought Dreamer's Glass was Hollywood (now I gather that it's too far north to be Hollywood, but... my geography's pretty spotty). Tybalt's court is the Court of Dreaming Cats... maybe the Dreams thing has something to do with the Bay?

(I'm speculating, but have no idea).

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ebartley

September 5 2012, 17:18:34 UTC 4 years ago

Much fun to watch some plots and running gags that have been ongoing for books (Tybalt and Toby, Luidaeg's apartment, the shell of Toby and Luna's relationship.) Also much fun to watch other pieces get dropped (Quentin is so lowborn he's squire to a changeling? I don't think so....)

The book leaves me with more questions, of course, to which I don't expect answers but are fun to contemplate -

About that goblin fruit?

So, when does the fae world at large catch on that Toby can change your blood?

And *did* Toby lose something when changing Chelsea?

What dreadful things are going to happen because Sylvester doesn't have a teleporter?

jenk

September 5 2012, 21:28:28 UTC 4 years ago

And *did* Toby lose something when changing Chelsea?

Also: In One Salt Sea Toby drank Luidaeg's blood before turning Gillian.

Toby turned Chelsea's blood without a boost.

Did the Luidaeg's blood make longterm changes?

tsgeisel

4 years ago

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swevene

September 5 2012, 17:25:39 UTC 4 years ago

I am so happy with this book, I'm just so full of glee over basically everything.

Except that I nearly had a heart attack when Raj pointed a gun at Tybalt. And was very concerned that Riordan would make Quentin into her loveslave or something. It was worrying.

Other than that, I think my favourite moment was when Tybalt thanked Toby because I remember your post on courting customs and how the only people who thank each other often are courting couples and it made me keysmash for... a significant length of time.

Also I loved when Etienne used the iron handcuffs as a weapon. TOTAL BADASS.

kassrachel

September 5 2012, 23:08:36 UTC 4 years ago

Me too! So much glee!

Tybalt and Toby's courtship has been delighting me for volumes now. I'm just glad Toby finally recognized it for what it is. ;-) Oh, holy wow they are so awesome.

And Raj having to point a gun at Tybalt! And Tybalt forgiving him. Oh, my heart.

And Etienne getting his happily-ever-after. With a folklore professor. ::facepalm:: And oh, Chelsea's room with the Firefly posters! <3

And did anyone else notice the seemingly throwaway reference to the king and queen being up in Toronto? I'm laying bets now on them being Quentin's parents. \o/

And did I mention how much I adore the Toby/Tybalt courtship? I just want to draw giant sparkly hearts around both of them, FOREVER.

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momentsplinter

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yellowblackhaze

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hoppytoad79

September 5 2012, 17:27:04 UTC 4 years ago

It's about bloody time! This Catfight shipper is a happy girl. *G* Another novel knocked straight out of the park, but I know better than to expect anything less. If life were fair, Seanan would be bigger than Stephenie Meyer and E.L. James--combined.

seanan_mcguire

September 10 2012, 15:37:19 UTC 4 years ago

Dear Life:

Please be fair.

Love, me.

hoppytoad79

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effervescent

September 5 2012, 17:33:10 UTC 4 years ago

:D :D

I loved seeing more of the character of Etienne, that he got more depth. And I ship Quentin and Raj. :D (Hoping the next book goes more in to Quentin's story? Yes? :D) I loved seeing more of the places that were locked away, too... fascinating. I love that sort of thing. This felt like it was much more of a character driven book - exploring Toby's relationships to the people around her and her changing view of herself, which was nice to see. It was nice to have the world continue to develop and build around her, and the depth being added to even people she started off disliking.

The only thing that bugged me was the wish we hadn't skipped forward in time so immediately - I'd have liked to see maybe even just a chapter dedicated to the year that had past and Toby's journey through it - but that was my only nitpick, really. Mainly because I'd known for about four books that Tybalt/Toby was going to happen, and having the year missing meant it felt a bit too soon.

I love the world. Is it next September yet?



momentsplinter

September 6 2012, 02:13:23 UTC 4 years ago

And I ship Quentin and Raj. :D

Me too :D I can't think of any good names for this ship, though. Qaj? Rentin?

ironed_orchid

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effervescent

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calculus_girl

September 5 2012, 17:53:37 UTC 4 years ago

Love, love, love, love it! Ashes of Honor is easily my favourite in the series. Now for the Canadian folk band song... my best guess would be Great Big Sea's Lukey. We also need to learn more about Quentin. I'm very happy with the Toby-Tybalt relationship-like thing too.

titacats

September 6 2012, 02:46:06 UTC 4 years ago

Great Big Sea came to mind immediately when I read that! ^_^

amazon_syren

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thedragonweaver

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knittingwoman

September 5 2012, 17:55:44 UTC 4 years ago

I just downloaded the sample from i books:) now I have to decide where I am going to buy the full version e-book. I had forgotten it was coming out so early in september, what a pleasant surprise.

argonel

September 5 2012, 19:18:17 UTC 4 years ago

Unfortunately Penguin hasn't followed TOR to the non-DRM side of the street. I picked it up from Barnes and Noble because that is where I have the other Toby books and they aren't Amazon. If it wasn't for the DRM I probably would have bought it from Google and read it in my favorite ebook reader.

Also I'm spoiler immune because I read it yesterday.

idancewithlife

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knittingwoman

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smoooom

September 5 2012, 17:55:49 UTC 4 years ago

I haven't finished yet. School and all that, but I intend on finishing tonight, so far though, I'm really pleased, LOVE the Tybalt twist, but not surprised some thing was going on for a long time.

seanan_mcguire

September 22 2014, 06:57:49 UTC 2 years ago

Yay!

jillheather

September 5 2012, 17:56:28 UTC 4 years ago

"Just this once, everybody lives!"

I loved Li Qin and the more Tybalt part so much that I am okay with waiting another book to find out more about the selkie/roane story and to see Quentin's parents. Well, sort of okay. Ish.

amazon_syren

September 6 2012, 15:03:26 UTC 4 years ago

Er... I'm a bit concerned about Officer Stalker's chances at survival, I have to admit.

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seanan_mcguire

September 10 2012, 17:42:23 UTC 4 years ago

Aw, yay.

And thank you.

thedragonweaver

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dimestore_romeo

September 5 2012, 19:37:25 UTC 4 years ago

I ordered my copy today - it probably won't get here until next week! On the plus side, I can get a chunk of my thesis out of the way without being ridiculously distracted by awesome, but!

seanan_mcguire

September 10 2012, 17:42:34 UTC 4 years ago

Yay!

groblek

September 5 2012, 20:02:37 UTC 4 years ago

Once again, very well done. It was good to see old friends again, and meet new ones. I do fear for what you may have in store for Toby next, as things seemed to end with everything going rather well for Toby. Though she did get gutted twice - her newfound Mutant healing factor I mean fae rapid healing ability is certainly proving helpful. At this point in the series, I've started having fun trying to spot Things That Will Be Important Later as they appear scattered through the things Toby barely notices. I'll enjoy working out how many I noticed a few books from now. :)

My only regret about the book is that I finished so quickly, which is totally not your fault; I just naturally read very fast and can't slow down. I cam to terms long ago with the fact that I read faster than anyone could possibly write. In this case, that may be for the best, as my mind was so not on my work yesterday. Thank goodness for checklists.

tsgeisel

September 6 2012, 01:20:51 UTC 4 years ago

Likewise with the finishing quickly. I started over lunch, and finished most of it over dessert, until my body told me it was time to get up.

Granted, it was a long lunch, but...yeah.

ironed_orchid

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aliciaaudrey

September 5 2012, 20:14:40 UTC 4 years ago

It really says sad things about my sense of humor that Toby's inability to go more than five paces without getting disemboweled and/or gut-shot had me in stitches on my second read through.

I understand this was not meant to be funny. It just is the same way an unfunny joke is funny the fifth time you hear it.

Also the world is full of Tybalt and that always makes me happy.

seanan_mcguire

September 10 2012, 17:43:08 UTC 4 years ago

Toby's like, "Yeah, Li...never do that again."

idancewithlife

September 5 2012, 20:19:41 UTC 4 years ago Edited:  September 5 2012, 21:28:16 UTC

HOMG...OMG...OMG
More of everything I love--and Tybalt gets to declare himself. Yea!!
I had the same feeling as effervescent--I feel like the books are continuing to move from great action books with good characters to awesome character driven novels with great action.

ETA: Plus another new way for her car to get totaled :-)

Alexander Bennett

September 9 2012, 18:04:53 UTC 4 years ago

I'm starting to think it's a sign that she shouldn't be driving a bug.

celticdragonfly

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mariadkins

September 5 2012, 21:47:12 UTC 4 years ago

my copy shipped this morning!

seanan_mcguire

September 22 2014, 06:58:03 UTC 2 years ago

Yay!

raveneona

September 5 2012, 22:40:45 UTC 4 years ago

The last book felt like my heart was punched repeatedly so this one was a welcome relief. The ending was perfect. I wasn't expecting a happy ending for the mom at all. I thought memory wipe, death, or just general angst would happen. To be able to live with her former lover and full fey daughter? Surprising but wonderful.

amberfox

September 8 2012, 05:57:36 UTC 4 years ago

And more importantly, keep working in the regular world, because having to decide between dying and spending the rest of your life locked up with a man you haven't seen in 16 years just to be close to your daughter? Creepy. Okay, still creepy, but probably not supposed to be.

raveneona

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epiphyllums

September 5 2012, 23:04:32 UTC 4 years ago

Thank you! I doubted enough half-way through that I actually read the last chapter and then went back and finished the book. I'm not good with unhappy surprises and I ended One Salt Sea sobbing miserably and wasn't in the mood for a repeat today. Now it is time for me to start the first of many re-reads. Or maybe I'll hit _Dragon Ship_ by Miller and Lee first. It's really tough when two of my favorite authors come out with books on the same day. Decisions....decisions...

seanan_mcguire

September 16 2012, 04:23:00 UTC 4 years ago

You are so welcome. :)

tsgeisel

September 6 2012, 01:36:42 UTC 4 years ago

Hail! Cheese and cake! (Whoops - wrong series. Still, cheese and cake sound good.)

Anyway, I'm oddly happiest about finally getting to see one of my wishes for the series happen - a glimpse into the other lands, and even hints at an origin story. If we never hear more about "the Heart of Faerie", I will buy a hat just so I can eat it. I'd also love to see an Atlas of the Faerie Lands, when all this is said and done (if they survive the final book).

The love declarations seemed a little romance novel-esque to me, but if that's the biggest quibble I can come up with, no worries. I'm definitely glad we finally get the two of them together.

I was kind of hoping that Riordan would be hit with the power-robbing salve, and then be stranded. That would have felt poetically right, even though the story developed better this way.

And, lastly from disjointed statement land (which I think is a knowe in the woods just north of UCSC), I *loved* Toby's not knowing that Cal has a folklore program.

Finally (ok, I lied about the lastly) - this was the first book without a teaser chapter. The business side of me wonders if that's because they finally trust people to pick up the next one without it, or if you didn't have one for them.

All that said, great job, great book. Congratulations!

seanan_mcguire

September 22 2014, 06:58:22 UTC 2 years ago

I'm glad you enjoyed it!

bakazaru7

September 6 2012, 01:39:47 UTC 4 years ago

This was, without a doubt, my favourite book so far. Currently waiting for the audiobook to finish downloading so that it can be what I listen to as I fall asleep at night.

It definitely had some of the best lines so far (and my roommates and I have nicknamed our cat "Raj the Adorable Assassin", as the cat is named for a certain Prince). I loved how in-depth we got to get with Etienne and what he was doing whilst Toby was a fish. My own weird headcanon for him is that he's somehow a francophone, if only because I've never met a non-francophone named Etienne. Also really liked seeing more of Jin, since she seems to be the mouthpiece for what we're all thinking on a regular basis.
I just know that the next book is going to be heartwrenching. This one was too happy for it *not* to be heartwrenching. Can it please to be next year yet?

seanan_mcguire

September 22 2014, 06:58:45 UTC 2 years ago

Thankfully, I have not yet been issued a time machine.

momentsplinter

September 6 2012, 02:23:18 UTC 4 years ago

I was surprised at how non-depressing the ending was. I was bracing myself for something awful to happen... and nothing did. (Something terrible is going to happen in the next book, isn't it? I can just tell).

seanan_mcguire

September 16 2012, 04:22:27 UTC 4 years ago

Have you no faith in...

...yeah, I can't even type that with a straight face.

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kveberle

September 6 2012, 02:23:39 UTC 4 years ago

Got the ebook yesterday and loved it! I can't wait to see how things go with the next book. Random question- I recall a post about ordering the book for Borderlands if we wanted it signed...but I can't find the post now. Does anyone know how you are supposed to order?

idancewithlife

September 6 2012, 05:21:52 UTC 4 years ago

http://www.borderlands-books.com/

Call or email them, I think.

kveberle

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indigoraven

September 6 2012, 02:38:42 UTC 4 years ago

It's not often that I fangirl. Really, I don't. Ask my friends. But damnit, Seanan - I think I love you. Reread One Salt Sea as a lead in and refresher, then devoured Ashes of Honor (which I finished this afternoon). Just... I'm not going to spoiler people, though I'm sure others already have... but Tybalt... Yeah, I'm pretty sure I love you. Please, beautiful lady, just keep weaving that glorious magic that you do. And I just can't even wait until the next one comes out...

seanan_mcguire

September 25 2012, 16:36:53 UTC 4 years ago

Thank you so much. :)

This makes me happy.

ruggedo

September 6 2012, 05:37:40 UTC 4 years ago

I just got it Tuesday from Amazon,but wont get to it for a while because I am reading this other series now, from a pretty good author,Mira Grant. Maybe you've heard of her? :P
Cant wait to get to it tho. The big problem will be waiting for the next one.

hoppytoad79

September 10 2012, 19:56:20 UTC 4 years ago

You're reading Mira Grant? Thinks she's Queen of the Zombies or something, and she's clearly way too interested in plagues and getting people sick for my comfort. She's up to something, mark my words! We're all going to get sick with some kind of superbug and she'll be behind it, I know she will be! ;D

bookwyrm172006

September 6 2012, 07:28:10 UTC 4 years ago

Ok, this is for your alter-ego, but OMG LOOK WHAT BOOK THE GHOST IS READING!!! :D

http://www.agirlandherfed.com/woodpulp/1.1042.html

seanan_mcguire

September 16 2012, 04:11:01 UTC 4 years ago

You caused me to read the ENTIRE ARCHIVE.

I hope you're happy.
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