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Person and persona, and riding the line.

In wandering aimlessly down the primrose paths of the internet, I recently encountered a comment from someone* who found my online persona "grating." Now, no one really likes to be called grating, unless they're in the middle of preparing cheese for the pizza, but they weren't calling me grating, they were calling my online persona grating. Except, of course, for the assumption built into that statement, that the online persona is inherently different from the person behind it.

I think everyone online has an aspect of "persona" to them, if only because ideally, on the internet, you have the opportunity to think before you press "submit." Not everyone does, but the option is still there, for all of us. We filter out certain aspects of ourselves: the faces we present to the world are not exactly one-to-one identical to the faces we present in private. I'm a little wittier on the internet, because I never have to deal with l'esprit d'escalier. On the internet, it doesn't matter that I can't pronounce l'esprit d'escalier (my French pronunciation is so bad it's comical).

I swear a little less on the internet, because I have to think about the process of typing out the word. "Shut your fucking face, you fucking fucker" rolls trippingly off the tongue, but it doesn't fall quite so easy from the fingers. I don't usually document how many times I need to pee. And yeah, since I come from the "do not air your dirty laundry in public" school of thought, I can come off as a bit of a perpetual Marilyn Munster when I really tend to flux between being a Marilyn and being a Wednesday. I let my cynicism off the leash sometimes, but I've found that it's more effective when I don't live and breathe in a haze of grumpy.

Also, I really am inappropriately enthusiastic about everything. Soda. Movies. Commercials that I really like. Street pennies. Peeing. I love peeing! I mean, I don't pee on trees or anything, but I really like it when I go into the bathroom feeling uncomfortable, and come out feeling a-okay. Plus it's an excuse to sit and read, and who doesn't love that? People who are around me in the real world are likely to get treated to a constant stream of alternatingly perky and snarlingly homicidal sound bytes. "Gosh, trees are nice, I like trees I WILL DESTROY ALL WHO THWART ME do you think maybe we should go back to Disneyland in October SOMEONE ON THE INTERNET IS WRONG RARRRRRHGHGHGHGH oh hey juice." Most of these things never make it online, because they're fleeting impulses, or because I don't feel like providing an ocean of context to make them make sense.

I guess that's really where internet persona comes in, at least for me: I make more sense online. I have less visible downtime, I'm a little less random, and I'm a little more measured with my swearing. I'm just as perky, and just as cranky, it's just not a twenty-four/seven thing. It's really important to me that I not be artificial online, because I spend so much time interacting with people offline, and I don't want to be reading from a script every time I do a public appearance. (Although that would be hysterical. I should write a "being Seanan at a book signing script," and start tapping people to stand in for me while I go to get myself another soda.) Filtered doesn't mean shallow, and thoughtful doesn't mean fake.

On the balance of things, I think you can tell whether or not you'd like me in person from listening to me online, as long as you remember that there's a whole third dimension offline, and that I can sometimes use that third dimension to run into traffic after red balloons, or produce seemingly random frogs. And I find that pretty cool.

Thoughts?

(*Who will not be named here, you know the drill, and everyone has the right to an opinion.)
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I mentioned your name in passing when I met Lev Grossman at a signing yesterday. Do you know Lev Grossman?

Hmm, not random enough?

Hugs to you!
I think you should read from a script and have stand-ins.

"Seanan Stunt Double #86 to the register, please!"


brownkitty

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sweetmusic_27

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trektone

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seanan_mcguire

5 years ago

Also, I really am inappropriately enthusiastic about everything.

Oh really? And here I had read your enthusiasm as being a) high-energy, though sometimes it seems you force yourself to keep going so you don't stop at an inconvenient place, and b) genuinely enjoying a lot of things, and finding them interesting.

I don't find your online personna grating. I'd really like to meet you, but I'm not sure how you'd react to somewhat-random somewhat-stranger at a con offering you a six pack of Diet Dr Pepper and thanking you for the introduction to Shaun and George.

Please keep being you, as you see fit. I like who you present as, but bottom line, it doesn't matter a shed whisker what I like. If you can look in the mirror and be comfortable with who you see there, that's a hell of an achievement that a lot of us never reach. I hope you're there more often than not.
This. Everyone filters themselves online, so I had assumed you mainly only post when you are enthused and have something to squee about rather than cataloging the frequent bits where you want to stay under the duvet and read quietly.

Your online persona makes me laugh and I like reading your stuff.

ladymurmur

5 years ago

seanan_mcguire

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seanan_mcguire

5 years ago

:: loves you all the more for this post ::
*loves you always*
I love peeing! I mean, I don't pee on trees or anything, but I really like it when I go into the bathroom feeling uncomfortable, and come out feeling a-okay. Plus it's an excuse to sit and read

These are things I also love about peeing.

I think sometimes I am more "myself" online. My day job requires me to be polite and not swear, and keep my random nonsensical outbursts to a minimum. So I tend to let those outbursts escape on Twitter and Facebook and Livejournal, where nobody will look at me funny if I talk about how much I love megalodons or my opinions on the legalisation of weed or whatever. I do think, as a very little and relatively unknown author, I want to project an image of being approachable and nice online, I worry if sometimes that comes across as trying too hard.
That makes absolute sense.

I've never picked up the "trying too hard" vibe, but I'm also crazy-forgiving of people being odd, because I myself am odd, and it just seems normal.
And now everyone is wondering why I'm snickering at my computer. I feel like this un-named person is probably a wet blanket. You tweet about Lollipop Chainsaw, which I am so freaking jealous of. I need this game. And Dr Pepper.
Oh, I like this reply! If someone doesn't like this, then they are free to let their eyes glaze over and read something else! Or even(gasp) edit the friends list.
I really wish people didn't expect everything to always be about their own personal likes and dislikes.
even though I can be damned opinionated too. but then, I'm usually right (said with a completely straight face, before I bust into guffaws)

seanan_mcguire

5 years ago

Filtered doesn't mean shallow, and thoughtful doesn't mean fake. - Thank you! It's nice to be able to quote someone else for this!

Oh, and thoughts... I agree that it's good to be yourself online when eventually someone wants to meet the same online person in person. On the other hand, I admit that in 2009 I made a second LJ so that I could show off two faces of the dodecahedron that I am without having people complain about massively conflicting personalities. I'm a little sorry, but mostly not, because it helps keep a lot of the context in context when I'm having mutliple-week monologues about something.

Your mileage may vary.
Yeah, I get that we're weirder in real life than online, and so having different spaces can be really important.
I like that you have a nice balance of posting about your writing, posting about issues you care about, and posting about total randomness that's important to you - which lets us get to know you as a person.

Also, there's a reason my father's favorite line when he needs to use the bathroom is, "I'm going to go visit the library." Hooray for bathroom reading!
Hooray!
I've met lots of people online, and some of them offline as well. Nearly all of them are pretty much the same in physical space as they are in virtual space. Some a bit more shy. I *think* I'm pretty much the same online as offline; I should ask people who know me. Yay! An excuse for a poll!

I enjoy your online persona and I expect that I'd enjoy your physical space persona as well.
I like to hope so.

seanan_mcguire

4 years ago

I love this post! What the heck is the matter with being enthusiastic or bouncy? Or random? Or .... Ooooo shiny!

You just keep on being you. After all, you do you best and we get to enjoy the result.
<3
I think I was 8 when I found out that the USA "wheat penny" was not longer being made. I started saving them when I could. Managed to pick up a goodly many Canadian pennies along the way. But no where NEAR a million! That display in the video is mind-boggling.

thedragonweaver

5 years ago

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dragonsally

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archangelbeth

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seanan_mcguire

5 years ago

Keep doing what you're doing. You'll know when it stops working for you.
Pretty much.
Quite honestly, if you're half as fun offline as on, I look forward to maybe someday getting the opportunity to spend a few minutes in your company because I think you seem like someone whose company I would truly enjoy. That I probably blew exactly that opportunity by not realizing you were at ECCC while I was in Seattle for a convention happening at the same damn convention center, well, I'll be kicking myself for that one for a long time.

Really, I wouldn't worry too much about someone who finds your online persona grating. There seem to be plenty of us who like you just fine the way you are.
Seattle will happen again, and I look forward to meeting you!
Would this person have found you grating if you were male? (Or if your online persona were male?)

(Feeling snarky today.) (And parenthetical.)
Probably not!
I think the majority of people have personas online and offline. I'm a little bit different at work, than I am at a family reunion, than I am with friends, than I am at home with my husband, than I am at home alone. None of them are more or less me than any other.

I think that's good and healthy.
I agree. Different facets for different occasions.

seanan_mcguire

5 years ago

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Also I was exhausted. :)

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Peeing gives one lots of extra bits of reading time. I definitely agree with you on that one - and all of the rest too.
Clearly everyone else spends much more time peeing than I do - It's not worth even digging out the book

seanan_mcguire

5 years ago

Your on-line presence seems very like your in-person presence to me -- sunny, enthusiastic, fun, interesting, smart.
Now me, I'm Ms Nice-Polite-Girl on-line, in the main, with intermittent outbreaks of angsting, and tendencies to long silences. While in person, as you may have noticed, I talk too much, and can have a sharp edge to my tongue. Also, I'm too tall. But luckily on the internet, no-one can see that.
I was trolled a couple of weeks back, which was nasty and painful and has left some sticky residue, which I regret. You have my sympathy about the unkind comment you received.
I'm sorry you got trolled. I hate it when that happens. :(
Well, you sound perfectly lovely to me. There is nothing wrong with enthusiasm. And given that we all have to pee, it is a fine thing to be appreciative.

I have, of course never met you. But you sound like a thoughtful and interesting person. Not grating at all. So there!
I've been told! :)
I am confused as to how anyone could find you grating. Even when you are being cranky blonde all I want to do is bring you cake. Unfortunately I am in the wrong country.
No, you are in the RIGHT country. The one with the best spiders. :)
I don't find you grating at all. Sometimes if I'm grumpy about things in my own life, I might not feel any better reading, but that's my issue and not yours. People can be dumb.
So true.
Some of us like your persona just fine. :) Loved your interview with Sword & Laser!
Yay!

a constant stream of alternatingly perky and snarlingly homicidal sound bytes.


I do that too. It gives some people whiplash! My fleeting impulses are very bizarre.

I also completely understand and sympathize with this post, because people have called my online persona "irritating" and "annoying" and "knows too much" and "obsessive." Well, that's their thoughts, I won't stop them. I'll correct them if I know they're wrong, and sometimes they really don't like me...

I don't like being artificial online. I don't see the point in playing myself as a character. There are a lot of people I know, and almost all of them are online, and I would rather be honest and show my crazy, and I wish I didn't care if someone finds me hard to be around online.

In a non sequitur, I still ponder how, in the Futurama episode 'Benderama', the microscopic Bender copies could have converted every single water molecule on Earth to alcohol molecules, because there was bottled water everywhere sealed up, or would the tiniest atomic Benders have gotten into them, and also, what happened to the animals and plants? Did they all die? And if it took six days to get back to normal, why weren't there any reports of death by dehydration and alcohol poisoning? And couldn't they have brought in water from other planets? Or would the tiny Benders have converted those H2O molecules too just because it was water that existed?
(That's how my mind works. In the middle of conversations about anything. It's just harder to do it online.)

...there's such a thing as knowing too much????

brightlotusmoon

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archangelbeth

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brightlotusmoon

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seanan_mcguire

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brightlotusmoon

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producing random frogs

Did you have something to do with the mass emigration of baby toads in Ottawa yesterday? If so, I'm even more impressed by your skills.
No, but wow do I wish I had.
Everyone has personas, on-line and off-line. How you are at work is not how you are at home is not how you are at a con. But it's still all you!

As to peeing giving you time to sit and read -- you must have more accomodating cats than I do. They consider this prime time to sit and pet the cat. The master bath is petting territory for Kaylee, and Malcolm owns the guest bath.
Nothing like a furry purry cat trying to get on your lap when you're sitting there with your pants down, is there?

"Everyone has personas, on-line and off-line. How you are at work is not how you are at home is not how you are at a con. But it's still all you!"

Yes, this. You aren't different people, you're different facets of the same jewel.

archangelbeth

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ironed_orchid

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filkferengi

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seanan_mcguire

5 years ago

Having met you in person and talked with you on the phone and occasionally gotten some very weird messages from you on the answering machine, I do have to say that your online persona is so much more -restrained- than the real you.

For the good of the Internet! :)
The real me is also much more prone to passing out on your couch.
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