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Surviving snakebite, in the desert, in space, and...sudden stardom? What?

Which of these things is not like the other:

* Surviving IN SPACE.
* Surviving IN THE DESERT.
* Surviving BEING BITTEN BY VENOMOUS REPTILES.
* Surviving YOUR SUDDEN AND INEVITABLE POP STAR LIFE.

I...what?

A little context for you, because context is to my crankiness as the Great Pumpkin is to the Sacred Patch: yesterday was Wednesday, better known around these parts as "Seanan goes to the comic book store" day. We went to the comic book store. I picked up my books (new issues of The Boys and Hack/Slash, new trades of Chew and American Vampire), and prowled the shelves, looking to see what else had arrived.

In the "family friendly" section, I found two books I hadn't seen before: Boys Only How To Survive Anything, and its natural mate, Girls Only How To Survive Anything. They were, naturally, somewhat pink and blue, but I don't have a moral objection to pink, and if they were going to be all gendered about things, I supposed having "gender appropriate" colors made sense. I picked up Boys Only and flipped through it.

Surviving disasters, natural and man-made. Surviving conflicts and accidents and on the space shuttle and monsters. Surviving, you know, shit that can kill you. Works for me. I put down Boys Only and picked up Girls Only. Where I learned to survive...

Breakouts. Becoming a pop star (and the inevitable carpal tunnel from signing all those autographs). Saying I'm sorry (with homemade lip balm). Identifying a frenemy. Surviving, you know, shit that generally doesn't leave you dead.

Can you guess when I started seeing red?

Now look. I get that we're a culture that thinks boys and girls should always like different things, and that we start reinforcing that from a very early age. I get that to some degree, on average, boys and girls do like different things. It's by no means universal, but things like the Brony movement aside, you do have gendered majorities for many activities and interests. Fine. But you know where that breaks down? When we tell girls, through implication, that they shouldn't know how to survive in the desert. Knowing how to handle, gasp, pimples is so much more important.

Not every girl needs to know how to deal with venomous reptiles, just like not every boy needs to know how to base jump. Because of differing interests and activities, I could have believed as much as 40% deviation between the books. Teach the boys how to tie a tie, and the girls how to fix runs in the nylons, fine. It's cisgendered and assumes so much, but it makes societal sense, if you're dividing the books by gender (and I'm almost in favor of that, just so that they don't give all the action illustrations to boys, and all the pretty or panicked illustrations to girls). Understand that gendering is problematic and try to be reasonable.

But we are talking 95% deviation. The only activity they had in common? Escaping from a zombie. Because...fuck, I don't know. Because zombies are the only truly gender-neutral threat in the world, apparently. Deserts only fuck you up if you have a penis. Frenemies (how I hate that word) only endanger your reputation if you have tits. But zombies? Man, they will fuck you up, no matter what you've got.

I hate this increasing insistence that boys and girls are alien species, coming together only to do icky romance dances of ickiness, and make more boys and girls to never understand each other at all. Girls can like snakes. Boys can like looking nice for dates. And that doesn't mean a damn thing but "we are all individuals, we will all like and want and do different stuff."

At least we're all allowed to know how to fight zombies.
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What bothers me the most is the idea that girls are never in the desert, in space, in any place subjected to natural disasters, near venomous reptiles, and so on. Even the girliest girl could be in any of those situations. Why is a book that deals with them labeled Boys Only? (Or is this one of those ironic attempts at humor, like those soda ads that say "not for women"?)
Because that's not what girls do. Girls are instinctively driven to shop, giggle over boys, and being all soft and pretty. Why would girls want to go somewhere icky like the desert or into space? That would mean they'd get dirty, and that's just, like, icky. [/sarcasm] Crap like this makes me want to Hulk out and go after the purveyors of such sexist, outdated crap.

micheinnz

5 years ago

dewline

5 years ago

Crap like this chaps my ass in a major way. My idea of a fun afternoon is putting on my old sneaks and clothes I can get filthy and going out into the woods to hike and climb around. In the spring, I love to go hunting for frogs and salamanders. I've worked for the local of the stagehand's union and as a zookeeper. I know how to start a fire (with a source of ignition) and keep it going better than many guys and my idea of fun in the summer is to load up a pack with everything I'll need for a week and go off into the wilderness with a bunch of others as crazy as me for a week of canoeing and portaging between lakes. I also enjoy dressing up and looking pretty and doing my hair and wearing make-up. I loveloveLOVE constructing historical costumes and can be so incredibly nitpicky and anal about the details (playing dress-up is FUN!). Sewing, needlepoint, cross stitch, knitting, crochet,...you name it and I probably do it. I love to cook, I love babies, I go to goo over cute critters. For years, I felt torn between the 'girly' part of me and the part that loves getting physical and dirty, that they were somehow incompatable. There are times I still feel that tugging at me, but I stomp it down with my mind now because there is nothing dual about my nature. I'm a fabulously multi-faceted woman and I'm proud not to fit into the little boxes society loves to tell people they have to conform to. I love it when someone tries and fails to file me away into one narrow little category or another.
The Vorlon Question ("Who are you? WHO ARE YOU?"), in which every answer was deemed inadequate, always struck me as silly, and I was annoyed that none of those oh-so-wise characters saw the obvious correct answer. I am myself, defined by example.

seanan_mcguire

5 years ago

hoppytoad79

5 years ago

thedragonweaver

5 years ago

hoppytoad79

5 years ago

seanan_mcguire

5 years ago

kyra_neko_rei

5 years ago

hoppytoad79

5 years ago

kyra_neko_rei

5 years ago

hoppytoad79

5 years ago

bunsen_h

May 4 2012, 01:15:01 UTC 5 years ago Edited:  May 4 2012, 04:27:21 UTC

There are relatively few perilous situations in which one's chances of survival are affected by whether one has a penis or a vagina.

(Snake cults notwithstanding.)
Agreed.
I posted a link to this in my Facebook and have to share a comment I received on it from a friend:

"I read that, and then read it to my 60 yo mother, and we both agreed on the same thing. "That was fucked up.""

I think I love her mom.
I think I love her mom, too.
And we wonder why we have gender wars? It's because we're poisoning people before they have a chance to form their own opinions.

Oy.
Pretty goddamn much.
...

*RAAAAAGE*
YES.
Speaking as the mother of two young adult daughters...

Where's my Mr Bolty? I feel the need to smite somebody.
I support your smiting.
My companion, who most perceive as female, points out that the threat of zombies is not entirely gender-neutral, as, "according to the documentaries", females are more likely to have their clothes ripped in lewd ways.

I think my companion has not read Ms. Grant's most excellent documentaries, so I'll have to fix that.

(I thought about telling you you don't have to reply to this, but I decided not to be *that* much of a pain in the ass.)
Commitment, you hold off a zombie with the threat of commitment.

seanan_mcguire

5 years ago

Charles Ellis

5 years ago

kyra_neko_rei

5 years ago

Are you trying to tell me that I can't hold off a zombie with home-made lip balm?

My illusions are shattered...
How big is the vat of lip balm?

I don't know why more people don't take advantage of the fact the "girl stuff" weaponizes pretty easily.
Kitchens are full of knives and makeup has been known to be made of poisonous stuff, not to mention hair sticks can stab.
hat pins.

mythusmage

5 years ago

paksenarrion2

5 years ago

micheinnz

5 years ago

sethrak

5 years ago

seanan_mcguire

5 years ago

hoppytoad79

5 years ago

seanan_mcguire

5 years ago

...Bah. And probably nothing about Tanking or DPS in the Girl book, either.

*beth goes off to sulk, since she does Heals, DPS, and Tanking, depending on the character, and considers her tanking to be quite tolerable these days, even though she hasn't been doing it as long as the heals*
Sulking is an appropriate response.
When I was a child one of our neighbors had three girls, and a canyon just outside their backyard. All four ladies were heavily into wildlife. So, yes, even in the 60s womenfolk liked icky stuff. :)
Yay!
Of course you're allowed to know how to flee from zombies. Every girl that is unsuccessful in escaping the clutches of the zombies becomes another zombie that a manly man like me has to put down. As long as the girls are dependent on us for all other aspects of post-rising survival, the proper balance of gender roles is maintained.

Even I have trouble believing I typed that with a straight face.
Gold star to you good sir!
Oh for fuck's sake! Who writes this crap? I do not have daughters, but many friends do, and not a one of them would be anything but pissed off by that. My son, on the other hand, is large and tattooed and wears black and used to play drums in a punk band - and dotes on his fluffy white cat & just graduated culinary school. Real people.
I'm pretty sure the market for books like that IS shrinking. But it is still a piss off.
Have you read the young children's book "The Paperbag Princess", by Robert Munsch? If not, I will send you a copy. It will cheer you up, and you can pass it along to a young child of your aquaintance.
Seriously - why are all the great children's books never translated into German? *sulks* I just looked that book up on amazon, and it sounds awesome!

seanan_mcguire

5 years ago

Thank God we have permission to fight zombies.

I guess we better hope that vampires don't exist or we are in for a world of trouble.

And if we are on a plane that crashes, we had better hope some manly men survive or we are totally screwed.

(See icon for my thoughts on the above statements. Also-that author and those that think like they do can go suck and egg.)
Seriously.

Without TEH MENZ, we are all just dead girls walking.
I miss the gender neutral colored clothing and toys of my early childhood, and stuff like "Free To Be You And Me". Not that this stopped many of my relatives from trying to shoehorn me into cute frilly Sunday dresses and "ladylike" behavior, as I was the eldest grandchild/niece and for a decade the ONLY girl of my generation...But at least I had the options for when I was allowed to pick my own stuff.
Me, too.
yes, but was the advice on avoiding zombies realistic?
Not...really.
(tongue firmly in cheek) I think perhaps the moral of this story is that none of what either gender was doing was important except ESCAPING FROM ZOMBIES!

*giggle*

It pisses me off too. I'd like to introduce these writers to my downstairs tenant, who builds bio-tech surgical instruments for her day job, usually comes home and changes into overalls and uses power tools (um, drills and saws, guys, seriously) for her fun projects in the evening. But often does pretty up and go out looking beautiful in a dress. That's a well rounded woman, and these comic book writers really should try and meet one some day.
ZOMBIE FLEEING PARTY!

And she sounds awesome.
Thank god they at least included the zombie advice.

Really, though...I'm pretty stereotypically girly, just in shades of black instead of pink. I'm Sansa Stark, not Arya. I go to beauty school, I almost always have makeup on, live in skirts, and god help anyone who gets in my path when I see a good deal on shoes or nail polish. AND I STILL WOULDN'T READ THAT BOOK.
It sounds completely ridiculous. I like snakes. I would much rather be in close proximity to a venomous reptile than confront a "frenemy", because 1)snakes are cool and I like to handle them when I can and 2) I'm twenty-freaking-four years old, I think I've figured out how to deal with people I don't like or who don't like me: just leave them the hell alone, just like I'm going to do with that book.
For serious.
The idea that survival is in any way gender-defined is crazy.

Also, until I got to the context, I was thinking, "Surviving in space, because it's the information that (as far as I know) Seanan has not had to make use of."
*snicker*
I can’t stand this alienation of the genders. It seems to me like for a second our society got a little into the *let’s see the genders as kinda equal* - and then things started to fail here and there again.
I can’t stand how boys get the *me, I survive anything* part and the girls are the shallow ones who put on makeup and fret over their nail polish. I mean seriously, WTF? If they feel the need to include these themes, how about doing a *how to survive a trip through the jungle AND keeping your make up intact during the process*? Not that I’d wear makeup in the jungle but hey…
Maybe you want the anacondas to think you're pretty?

naurwen

5 years ago

Having grown up as a reptile-loving girl in a state with deserts and rattlesnakes, I agree wholeheartedly with all of the above. You tell 'em!
I do!
This kind of bullshit makes me go crazy anytime I see it. I don't consider myself feminist at all - but seriously? WTF???
Just like those stupid sets of Nintendo DS games for small kids I saw a while ago in a toy store - a blue one for boys and a pink one for girls. (Seriously - colouring Nintendo games?) The boys set was puzzles and logic stuff, plus one jump-and-run. The girls set? "My pony farm", "My little baby" and something I can't quite remember, but similar. Stop trying to brainwash my daughter!!! (Not that I have anyhting against horses or childcare, obviously. But why does it have to be gender-specific, and at such a yound age, too???)
Gah.
Okay don't laugh? But I totally thought this post was going to be about you fighting off a mob of autograph-seekers in the comic book store.

At least zombies don't differentiate between genders, I guess. *shrug*

Gah, that is ridiculous.
Agreed.

And heh. Joe would never let that happen, for he is awesome.
And there was me, as a kid, out in the woods diving out of trees, teaching myself what I'd seen in an action movie, dirty and torn and FIERCE. I miss that me.
That you sounds fantastic. The you that's here is fantastic, too.
That's appalling, and makes me cranky too. I'd go on at greater length, but it'd just be preaching to the choir here.
Seriously.
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