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Show, don't tell: why they need to be there.

I was recently talking to a friend* of mine who is also a writer about inclusion and inclusiveness in fiction. He was frustrated. Why did people keep asking him to include a non-heterosexual character in a starring role in his work? After all, he'd said that non-hetero characters existed, and were actually the norm. It was right there, in black and white. So why wasn't that enough?

My first reaction was, naturally, "It's not enough because it's not enough." But at the end of the day, that reaction isn't enough, either. He was trying. He wanted to understand. So I figured I should try, too.

I explained how, when I was a kid, the only smart blondes I could find were Marilyn Munster and Susan Storm. How I wound up identifying with the Midwich Cuckoos, rather than the humans who they were threatening, because the Cuckoos looked like me and were isolated like me and no one understood them. How, as I got older and realized that what I wanted wasn't necessarily the kind of marriage my mother had, every gay character became a magical revelation—even the ones I would look at now and think of as stereotyped and cardboard. It was enough for me that they were there.

I don't think I saw bisexuals in fiction until I encountered ElfQuest. I definitely didn't encounter them in sympathetic roles, where they were allowed to be people first, and define their sexuality second. It was honestly a revelation to me.

I explained how important to me these characters were, first because they looked like me, and then because they were like me, and how it mattered for them to have a bigger part in the story than just "oh, honest, blondes and bisexuals exist, we keep them all in Australia because they really like the tax situation there." It wasn't that I didn't want straight while males having leading roles. I just wanted them to share.

I read three books recently where race and sexuality were just sort of there. They didn't change the shape of the story, although they were treated fairly and reasonably (and awesomely) by the author. One, Black Blade Blues, was an urban fantasy with an awesome blacksmith heroine who just happens to be a lesbian, and have a girlfriend. And while she had some personal issues to work through (which made her a compelling, relatable character), her story was still recognizably an urban fantasy story, with all the tropes and twists of the genre. The second, Storyteller, was science fiction/fantasy in the Pern style, where you have extremely advanced technology and fascinating aliens, but you're spending most of your time on a low-tech planet that might as well be a fantasy world. One of the central characters is gay; so are several secondary characters. None of them are treated in any way as either superior or inferior to the rest of the cast.

The last, The Hum and the Shiver, dealt more with race than sexuality, although it was notable for having a strong female lead who really enjoyed sex, had really enjoyed sex in the past, and was not in any way ashamed of herself for being a sexual being. It's not a sexy book; she actually has no sex during the book, for reasons the plot makes very clear. But she's not punished for who she is. One of the secondary characters is married to a Southern-raised Asian woman. Why? Because that was who she was. It's not a thing. It's never a thing. It's awesome.

He was still a little confused, so I tried another tack: in my Faerie, in Toby's Faerie, as far as I'm concerned, almost everyone immortal is also bisexual. People who are purely straight or purely gay are almost entirely changelings, and young changelings, at that. Out of the entire current cast, the only one I can point to and say "Yup, totally straight" is Toby, who was raised in the mortal 1950s, and never really considered girls as an option. Everyone else is bi. Yes, him. Yes, him, too. Yes, her. I'm not sure it counts in Lily's case, since she's a body of water that enjoys looking like a person, but she doesn't care about the gender of her meat-based lovers. So yes, even her.

Most fae marriages, on the other hand, are male/female, because the main motivator for fae marriage is having kids, and surrogacy isn't really an option when it takes three hundred years of steady marital relations to reliably get someone pregnant. So if you look at the first several books, everyone looks straight. I was too close to the material to realize that. I knew about Amandine's relationship with Lily, the Luidaeg's long-term Selkie lover, and lots of others. No one else did. What was on the page was heteronormative male/female love, over and over again, in all its good and bad forms.

As soon as I recognized that, I started making more of an effort to actually show the non-hetero relationships in the books. Not because I owed anyone anything. Not because I was pressured. Because saying they were there wasn't enough. It's never enough. We need to see those people, in part because for every kid like me, combing the margins for hidden people I could relate to, there are ten kids who just calmly accepted than yes, they were always going to be the protagonist. Mix it up. Make it different. Make us all learn to identify with other people, and take out the shadows. I learned to identify with straight white males because I had to, and I clung to my narrow band of options. How about we widen the spectrum until everybody gets the chance to learn to identify with everybody? Because that would be awesome.

I explained all this to my friend. I think he understood. And even if he didn't, he's thinking about it now, and he's smart; he'll get there.

I'll be waiting for him.

(*I won't name him, because that's not the point, and he's a damn good guy. He just hadn't thought some things through. Everyone has had their instances of not thinking things through, and it's easier when you're a middle-class white male with no particular religious affiliation. Everyone is you unless stated otherwise, in fiction. So please don't ask who my friend was, and I won't be forced to look at you sadly.)
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Thank you.
You're very welcome.
I won't ask who you were talking to, but I will ask for links to the books you mentioned, because they sound fantastic, and trying to google "Storyteller" isn't going to get me very far. ;-)

And thank you, for showing and telling - both in your stories and in your life. It's one of the reasons I'm grateful to know you, even as tangentially as I do.
Storyteller is by Amy Thomson. She won the Campbell Award, and all her books (that I've read) are amazing. Storyteller has giant sex-changing telepathic fish!

archangelbeth

5 years ago

stagemanager

5 years ago

julieandrews

5 years ago

eilan

March 29 2012, 16:49:50 UTC 5 years ago Edited:  March 29 2012, 16:50:37 UTC

*points to icon*

(also, I really rather enjoyed Black Blade Blues, partly because she was a lesbian, and partly because she drove a Civic! *car nerd*)
Dude, that book was just all flavors of awesome. I especially liked that she was conflicted, because that's a conflict I have seen so many of my friends fight their way through. It was beautiful to read.

reedrover

5 years ago

I'm crying while reading this, because, to so many people, I don't exist.

Thank you for letting me be real.
You are very real to me.

biguglymandoll

5 years ago

briargrey

5 years ago

spotty_sri

1 year ago

Good piece: thank you.
Very welcome.
It's books like Mercedes Lackey's Valdemar series and Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover books, that painted gay, lesbian, and bisexual characters as perfectly normal, that I didn't hate myself when I realized I was bi. I grew up in a very Christian house, hearing homophobia and hate from my dad, and I had quite literally no link to the outside world for most of my adolescence. Those books made a huge impact, and it seriously bothers me that with all the strides forward we have made, there is still crap about how "well, books with gay characters won't sell". Or, you can get away with a side character (sometimes) but not the main character. And even if it's not 100% true, new writers who long to be published and pay way too much attention to "the rules" take it as gospel. And there really aren't that many more books with GBLT characters being published now than there were in the 90s. And I find that sad and horrendous.

On a similar note, although this has changed now, I pretty much gave up reading YA as a kid because girls couldn't be heroes. There were a few exceptions, like Tamora Pierce, but most of the books I could find with girl protagonists were like the Sweet Valley High books. And this was again in the 90s. And even now, I hear it trotted out that "Well, girls will read everything, but boys will only read books about boys, so we have to write about boys." Early last year, there was a blog post that went around about how the trend of girl heroes in YA was fucking over boys and setting them up to fail, because we aren't paying enough attention to them. Christ on a cracker.

And I was the girl who refused to read about boys, because I don't identify with them. I want to read about women kicking ass, being the heroines of their own stories. Fortunately, when I got to the point that I graduated beyond kids' books, there was a lot of adult fantasy options with heroines. I had quite the collection of Sword & Sorceress anthologies, and I'm pretty annoyed my former housemate sold my box of them thinking it was my ex's.

It is an amazing thing when you keep reading books that stereotype people like you, often as the villain, and then you come across a book that actually has people like you as the well-rounded hero/ine. I did not particularly care for the internalized homophobia in Black Blade Blues -- although it was realistic -- but it was amazing to read about a lesbian protagonist who isn't treated any different because she's a lesbian. I LOVED the sequel, in which she had worked through her internalized homophobia, and was about her and her girlfriend having adventures, and blessedly free of the whole "we have to make the otherwise competent heroine fuck up in some way so the hero can have His Moment" trend that is oh-so-common in urban fantasy. (Seriously, if I see one more heroine fuck something up that is supposedly the thing she is best at, or do stuff that is TSTL, so the hero can shine.... I will fucking break something.)

Thank you for writing this. <3
I liked the internalized homophobia solely because everyone called her on it, and I think that's a powerful thing for people who are still struggling to read and see and understand can be overcome. That it's not a switch between "okay with myself" and "not okay" that you just get to flip.

You're very welcome.

elialshadowpine

5 years ago

seanan_mcguire

5 years ago

lietya

5 years ago

elialshadowpine

5 years ago

lietya

5 years ago

elialshadowpine

5 years ago

lietya

5 years ago

elialshadowpine

5 years ago

kyril

5 years ago

This was lovely to read. I tend to find the idea that characters can be not straight without this in any way being indicated (I think Malinda Lo wrote about it) very difficult, because we won't know unless we are told and it's important that we are. I think, like you said, a lot of it is about stepping back from your own writing and thinking about what your readers know versus what you know.

mrs_norris_mous

5 years ago

thnidu

5 years ago

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Very welcome.

tiferet

5 years ago

seanan_mcguire

5 years ago

tiferet

5 years ago

wendyzski

5 years ago

seanan_mcguire

5 years ago

zaure

5 years ago

tiferet

5 years ago

zaure

5 years ago

blueledgirl

5 years ago

Not something I ever thought of about immortal sexuality, but it makes sense. (Zeus doesn't count, I'm pretty sure his sexuality was 'breathing? check'). I can see the changing between friends, friends++, romantic lovers, friendly lovers, friends, and back due to extended time you would know someone. Question, since I haven't gotten far, or haven't caught this, in the Toby series, are fae marriages expected to be 'permanent' or is is assumed that due to immortal life span, people will change and grow apart (and possibily
together again, etc) ?

As for people who aren't the average in society, I lucked out. I learned from a young age that there were people who loved their own sex. My brother had the same partner as long as I can remember, and I always thought of him as family. The fact I didn't see gay people in books and movies often just made me think of them as special. I'm glad that I've seen more gay/lesbian/bi/trans/anything I missed in books, I'm also glad to see books with girls who kick ass and rescue the guy, and where the hero/heroine doesn't have to be white to be good. Plus, more geek, the merrier.

So thanks for what you're doing, and for writing kick ass characters of all varieties, even bodies of water.
I'm not even sure that Zeus cared about breathing.

Marriage isn't forever in Faerie, but kids complicate the issue. A fae marriage that includes children can only be dissolved through negotiation including the kids. Basically, you need to figure out which family they belong to, for inheritance purposes.
Even Cagney and Lacey? :-)

Anyway, speaking as a cisgendered white male, I suppose I have the luxury of not needing to pay attention to romantic (and sexual - they're different, please) preferences. But if it's written well, I'm prepared to accept any kind of relationship. *That* is what I ask of a writer - that whatever relationship exists, it be treated with the respect it deserves (and is called for by the plot).
No, probably not Cagney and Lacey. They've been spayed.

Yes. Respect is key. Although "called for by the plot" is less so; the sexual preferences of the dude at Safeway may not matter, plot-wise, but if there was going to be a line mentioning his girlfriend, mentioning his boyfriend takes the same amount of time, effort, and focus, and changes everything while also changing nothing.

dornbeast

5 years ago

Thank you so much.
Thank you for this!

Every time we see ourselves is a chance for self discovery.
Every time we see ourselves is a moment to know we are not alone.
Every time we see ourselves is an act of permission that says, Yes, you are allowed to love and you can have this love.

lyssabard

5 years ago

lyssabard

5 years ago

seanan_mcguire

5 years ago

silvertwi

5 years ago

I've noticed that myself -- how in my own projects, I need to both check my own assumptions and realize that what I know isn't always what the readers see.

And heck, I think the recent kerfuffle about The Hunger Games proves why we need authors to keep showing that, yes, there are non-white (non-straight, non-cis, non-insert minority here) people at all levels -- from the crowd scenes in movies and comics, to one-shot character drops*, to side characters, up to main characters. Maybe they will get it.

And the mean time, all the rest of us can find People Like Us to root for.

(Also: I tend to look askew at 'everyone is bi... except Our Hero' unless there's another reason. Toby makes sense, since I'd guess that many first-gen changelings are likely to be shaped by human views of sexuality, and Toby's position as a changeling helps drive the story other than making her straight as a board in a society where that's not the norm.)

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* When appropriate -- we might never know whether the cop at the scene is married or not (and to who) if all her dialog is about the case, but there's no reason that when Toby crashes through a table of other diners because Toby Has Terrible Luck, it has to be a man and woman on a date, rather than two men, two women, a genderqueer person and hir agendered partner, etc. Sometimes it will be the heterosexual couple, of course. But not always.
Yeah, most younger changelings are either straight or gay, because they're so shaped by their environment. As they age, they tend to come around to a more flexible way of thinking. Toby's only in her fifties, and only has the life experience of a woman in her thirties, who grew up in the 1950s and thinks of that as her home time period. So if she's ever going to loosen up, it'll be well after the end of the series.

beccastareyes

5 years ago

seanan_mcguire

5 years ago

yellowblackhaze

5 years ago

seanan_mcguire

5 years ago

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Agreed, but at the same time, if I need a reason for a character to be gay, don't I also need a reason for that character to be straight? Don't assume any norm, unless it's "all people are normally hermaphrodite unicorns who worship cheese, and I can't have any normal people in this book." That way, everything is a choice.

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tingirl

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seanan_mcguire

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elialshadowpine

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shashalnikya

March 29 2012, 17:32:48 UTC 5 years ago Edited:  March 29 2012, 17:36:12 UTC

Yeah, visibility in fiction is so important! It means so much to find characters I can actually identify with. Finding actual bisexuals who aren't shamed or stereotyped for it in one way or another is NOT easy--finding transgender people is impossible.

I worried about why I was making the main character in my last book trans. I thought people would think I was doing it because I wanted to write about myself, and maybe I was a little bit. But mostly I just wanted her to be there and be herself, in all her amazing awesomeness, in the hopes that someone would read about her and maybe feel a little less ignored.

Thank you for this piece!

(P.S. Black Blade Blues is such a cool book)
Have you read the two most recent Armistead Maupin books? Heck, have you read his books at all? He does lovely transgender characters. I adore him so.

shashalnikya

5 years ago

avahgdu

5 years ago

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Very welcome.
Amanda Downum does a good job of showing a range of sexuality in her series as well.
Good to know!

elialshadowpine

5 years ago

Thanks for this!

I think this is my main problem with the drow writing as well. Yea, there are some female characters that kick ass, but it's just like... this is one story where women were not supposed to be the exception. THEY were the rule! So why is the biggest name that anyone can think of when I bring up drows.... a male?

Sure there's Quen'thel, and Danifae, and Halistrae, and Quilee, and Liriel... but far more people know of Drizzt.

http://www.ted.com/talks/chimamanda_adichie_the_danger_of_a_single_story.html is an amazing video about the dangers of a single story in books, and I think it's really illuminating.
I've never understood that. "All the awesome people in this culture are women! All of them! Going back millennia! Let's follow the only cool dude, okay?"
Yet another reason to love you and your work, because you think about, and act on, things like this. Your characters are people, with layers and depth, not placeholders.

I'll have to check out your recommendations; I read fast, so I'm always looking for something new and good.
Yeah, I was really blown away by all three of those books. I think you'll like them.
I liked this post, but it also got me thinking. I am an aspiring writer (just finished the first draft of my first novel and have a short coming up for publication in the near future) and this piece got my puzzler puzzling.

For the record, I am hetero, but have quite a few gay friends. I fully embrace legalizing gay marriage and ensuring that the entire LGBT community is afforded the same rights as all members of society. To be honest, reading this post marks the first time I have had to think about my writing and the inclusion of LGBT characters within it. I have mixed feelings, and not just how it relates to one particular group of people, but to all groups of people. My challenge is this...

How does a writer balance the need to be "real" with her characters with writing about topics, people, and places she is truly passionate about? Should a writer add a character of a certain race, sexual preference or other that doesn't necessarily work within the vision of the story they are telling?

Maybe that's the point of this post; to get writers to think about inclusion so we are representing societies, real or created, in a way that is more realistic. I am trying to balance this with my own creative palette and the kinds of stories I want to tell.

Regardless, you have me thinking about it now, Seanan. Thanks! :)

Think about the people you know. Is absolutely everyone straight and white and male, those being the narrative defaults? If no, how can you change some of your characters? Does it matter if the secretary says he's going home to his husband, or if the vice-president of marketing is African-American?

For the most part, I've found that once I actually started to think about society and how it's made up, my characters have become more diverse without my needing to force it. You're not trying to write a bag of Skittles, where everyone has a different everything. But you also don't want just a bowl of green M&Ms, with no differentiation at all.

aerohudson

5 years ago

elialshadowpine

5 years ago

aerohudson

5 years ago

elialshadowpine

5 years ago

oneminutemonkey

5 years ago

Thank you for writing this. "Why do you always write lesbians? needs a much better answer than I usually give, which is "Because."
Very welcome.

oneminutemonkey

5 years ago

oneminutemonkey

5 years ago

wendyzski

5 years ago

This is an excellent post and a point that should be shared. It also goes to show the kind of damage that things like "Don't say gay" and "Don't ask don't tell" can do to people. It can also lead to some abysmal reading experiences when authors don't treat these characters as people. (I'm thinking of a book I read recently that was such a horrible stereotype of gay men that it shocked me, which takes a lot.) It's nice to see fiction reflecting the reality of the world and it's even nicer to think that this is a signal that people realize that race, sexuality and gender are a normal part of our world.
Everyone gets to be people.
I actually know an awesome lesbian blacksmith.
Awesome!
Yes please. I want more of the everything in fiction. It thrills me everything I see a non-standard character in a book (by which you can mean non-standard to mean anything but white and heterosexual, a far too simplistic way to put it but y'know...) I've read so many books that I -need- variety. I -need- to see the larger picture, the more realistic depiction of the world, the greater range of diversity.

I've tried to incorporate that diversity into my own writing. I wrote a story for a lesbian shapeshifter anthology featuring a werecobra of Indian descent and a weremongoose of Pakistani descent. The fact that they love each other drives the story.I love these characters. I want to do more with them. I want to do them -properly- because that's what they deserve. :)

It's nice to see "me" in books. But I see myself in the mirror a lot. It's so much better to see "everyone else" in books. I practically danced for joy when I read Nalo Hopkinson's upcoming The Chaos, and saw that she had a delightfully acerbic, self-sufficient wheelchair-using lesbian-of-color musician as a main character. Straight white guys are a dime a dozen, this character was worth her weight in gold. :)

And, um... I'm slightly terrified at the thought of the Luidaeg having a lover of any sort. Sorry.

In the meantime, I'll be over here painstakingly combing through everything I read, looking to see how everyone who isn't "me" is treated. And I read a -lot-.
I got *way* more hung up on the idea of the Luideag's lover being *a selkie*. How did that happen?

(Also, note to self, check out The Chaos.)

seanan_mcguire

5 years ago

...I keep trying to find ways of saying "this essay makes me adore you even more" without sounding a) creepy and b) as if now I'm hitting on you. So instead allow me to say that as I read it, I was trying to select out bits that I could quote to friends as "THIS. This right here is exactly what I'm trying to say." Except in the end, I failed so miserably at excerpting anything less that think I'm just going to link to the whole thing*.

The saddest part is that whenever I've had this conversation, it's also been about smart competent female characters - someone who is a minority in other ways is a huge bonus, but it was hard enough just growing up as a girl who had to figure out how to identify with the smart competent boys in all the stories. Urban fantasy, incidentally, has been a godsend in that regard; there's a reason why I'd rather read mediocre urban fantasy/paranormal romance than top-grade hard SF or epic fantasy, these days.

Oh, and I loved _Black Blade Blues,_ too.


(*Link, not copy. I absolutely want you getting full credit for this.)
I do not take you as hitting on me or creepy, I promise. :)

Thank you for continuing to read, and further the discussion. We're getting there.
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