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My narrative kink is okay, yours is kinda...well, okay.

Everyone has what my friends and I refer to as "narrative kinks": those storylines, themes, tropes, and motifs that really get you cooking as a reader, a writer, or both. (Note: despite my use of the word "kink" here, there is nothing inherently sexual about a narrative kink. Ask any small child what kind of story he or she likes, and you'll get a much clearer, more honest picture of what they want out of a story than you will from most adults. We start forming these tastes from the second we understand what stories are, and while they may shift, refine, and totally change over the course of our lifetimes, we always have them.) Mine are pretty straightforward; years of writing fanfic helped me hone in on them like a mosquito going for the one inch of skin that doesn't have bug spray on it, and now I know exactly what they are, where they are, and how to spot them when they come into play.

A few of my preferences:

* Mermaids! I love mermaids. I've been thrilled by everyone enjoying the glimpse of the Undersea in One Salt Sea, because wow did those chapters feel self-indulgent. I could have written a whole book just explaining how the social structure of the Undersea functions. Someday, if I get a good enough excuse, maybe I will.

* Evil twins. Yeah, I know, it's a Patty Duke cliche, and I don't care. I love me some evil twin action. Blame my early exposure to All My Children and move on.

* Mathematicians and scientists in leading rolls. I think math is sexy. Science is basically my favorite thing that isn't the Great Pumpkin or my cats. It's pretty rare to find a book of mine that doesn't have at least one of these character types represented. (Ironically, Feed didn't need a scientist because I was the scientist, with all that delicious virology kicking around.)

* Alternate universes and timelines. Yes, I love breaking continuity and seeing what happens when it's put together in a new shape. Enough so that sometimes people have to hold me down and take the hammer away, since otherwise, I'll just keep smashing things. My one regret about prose as a primary medium is that it's hard to pull off alt-universes in most prose settings.

* The malleability of death. Look, I grew up on X-Men comics, soap operas, and horror movies. I enjoy playing with the elasticity of mortality, and finding ways around things that seem permanent. You can't cheat, but watching your dead girlfriend's robot replacement come to terms with the fact that she's really a brain in a jar delights me.

...there are more, but you get the idea.

One of the interesting things about knowing and being at peace with my narrative kinks is that I get much, much pickier about how they're used. You can't just raise the dead and expect me to be happy; I want it to make sense within the rules of your universe, hang together internally, and be fair to the character you've just brought back. If you're going to have a lead scientist, they'd better be a scientist, and not a magical knows-everything widget that can somehow apply every field of science KNOWN TO MAN to whatever situation they happen to be in (Winnifred Burkle, I'm sorry, but I'm looking at you).

If you're going to do an alternate universe, I expect you to think it all the way through. Yes, all the way through. One of my favorite shows rebooted their continuity two seasons ago, and while they made the usual assortment of flashy surface changes, they didn't consider all the ramifications of those changes. The fact that at least two of the characters involved didn't tear down heaven and earth looking for a way back to the original timeline was incredibly disappointing to me. (Shawn says this is because I over think these things. I point you, again, to my list of narrative kinks. These are the things I am programmed to over think!) Basically, I want stories that will give me what I want, but really commit to giving it, not tap-dance around going all the way.

Also, often, narrative kinks are a lot like salt or bacon: a little can go a long way. I adored Marvel's House of M alt-universe, but I would have been annoyed if it had replaced the main Marvel Universe completely (even though it was an awesome setting, and I want them to do more with it). I'm enjoying the current season of Fringe, with its re-imagined continuity...and at the same time, I find myself restlessly demanding the original timeline back, because I invested a lot of time and emotional attachment in those characters, those relationships, and every delighted "oh, it went like that over here" is followed by a "...wait, does that mean that this other thing didn't happen?" So sometimes, getting what you think you want out of a story isn't ideal.

And this is why I have proofreaders and editors who don't share my narrative kinks. They may encourage me to put more foxes, or talking animals in silly hats, into the narrative, but they'll help me avoid the story turning into a stew of "things Seanan wants to play with."

What are your narrative kinks? How do you feel about their use, and how do you react when they get overused? What narrative toys would you rather never came off the shelf again? Enlighten me!
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Honourable swordsmen; complex politics with lots of treachery and mystery; elves; mage schools and schools for scholars; swordfights; hard choices that don't have a fluffy get-out clause; candlelight; water; languages that feel real; cities.

Things I can live without? Sentimental fantasy animals/monsters; sentimental endings; sentiment full stop; 'feminist'/'revisionist' Arthuriana that just retells the same old versions (hint: Malory is not all there was. Not the only ending, either); badly drawn, overly modern 'mediaeval' culture; lazy writing about religions of any kind; cultural tropes relocated to the US without adequate explanation; quests.
Okay, have to butt in: based on that kinklist, have you read A College of Magics by Caroline Stevermer? IF NOT YOU SHOULD

la_marquise_de_

5 years ago

seanan_mcguire

5 years ago

Funny you should mention talking animals in funny hats ... anthro animals are one of my favorites!

I'm also keen on lost civilizations, going deep beneath the sea, or lost civilizations under the sea. ;)

First-time love is a favorite; people risking their lives to perform heroic rescues are another biggie.

-TG
I've been reading your comics since high school; I was aware of this fondness. ;)
Heroes in Non-Leadership Roles. And I don't just mean "because he's a LONE WOLF who doesn't PLAY BY THE RULES!", but I have a serious narrative kink for stories about people in subordinate roles who are awesome within them. I get extra excited if the protagonist follows a robust system of rules, and finds ways to work within those rules. Or, if they're externally imposed, finds a way to change them if they're Wrong, rather than just breaking them dramatically.

Androgynous and asexual characters. It's not that I don't like some interesting gender roles or sex-based plot points, but it's sort of like white characters; they're everywhere, and I want a change of pace more often than I get one. I love characters who can eschew gender stereotypes without just flipping to the other side ("She's a woman...who acts like a man! Daring!"), and who can fight against or ignore or just not have sexual desires without being written as an emotionless robot. Double plus points for settings that can take one or both of those as the default assumption. ("But of course everyone can change sex at whim, and turn off their sexual desires if they're inconvenient. Wouldn't it be terrible if it were otherwise?")

I like clever heroes, and sympathetic villains who aren't just Draco In Leather Pants, and solutions that don't come down to violence in the dramatic climax, and a strong sense that a given story happens to be about one set of characters but everyone else in the setting is equally important and the hero of their own stories--but those two up above? The big narrative kinks that just don't get hit often enough.
Oh, very nice.

muddlewait

5 years ago

fadethecat

5 years ago

thedragonweaver

5 years ago

fadethecat

5 years ago

Oooo, yeah, created families! And snark. And complicated or reverse-role power dynamics (big fancy lawyers who are aware that if their secretaries so much as look at them funny, they should tremble in fear, etc.) Fairytale princesses who kick ass. Politics, oh god, where people acknowledge the repercussions and multiple points of view that are vital to any and all societies, real or made up.
Good ones.
1) Siblings who are close. Not "Flowers in the Attic" close, but Toby and May close. Siblings who are there for each other, who help each other out, including telling their sibling when they are being an idiot. "Sibling" isn't necessarily a blood relationship either. Friends-who-are-family are just as wonderful. Example, Nikki and Steph in DARK DESCENDANT.

2) Wit, sarcasm, snark, humor -- I love a smart-ass. More sarcasm, please. (Ah, Toby and Tybalt, let me count the ways I love your conversations.)

3) Men who aren't "alpha" males (though I love the arrogant, confident guys. too). It's the quiet ones you have to look out for. Example, Oliver in WILD RIDE. Soooo hot!

4) Decisive characters, even if their decisions turn out to be bad or poorly thought out or have horrible disastrous consequences. No hand wringing, please. I don't mind a little caution and contemplation of potential consequences -- that shows intelligence -- but if butts need kicking then, by golly, put on your steel-toed boots and get going! The "Oh my, I couldn't possibly do THAT!" syndrome drives me bonkers. I hates it, Precious. HATES it. I end up shaking the book and yelling "Put on your big girl/boy panties and make a decision already!" OTOH, my husband and children find it quite amusing when I start shouting at the fictional people.
Good ones.

ceitfianna

October 20 2011, 17:53:11 UTC 5 years ago Edited:  October 20 2011, 23:18:22 UTC

-Families and friendships, given and chosen as a good sibling relationship is so complex. This is why I love Diana Wynne Jones' stuff so much, she wrote families but then I also love Professor X and Magneto and their created families and friendships that break worlds.

-Secondary characters with enough depth that I want to know their story. I blame this fully on Robin Hood as the idea of Will Stuteley from Creswick's Robin Hood is why I write.

-Magic just below the surface of the normal world. Charles de Lint is to blame for this one and I love the Toby books because they make it work.

-Love of place/sense of history, I studied Classics and adore when its clear to me that the story being told is just a part of a longer tale of a certain city or group of people. This can also get mixed in with thoughtful retelling of myths and legends if done right.

-Thoughtful retellings of older stories, this one makes me happiest when its done with a light touch. I enjoyed the earlier books in the Elemental Masters series because Lackey made both the world of magic and the retelling of stories work. Later ones felt much heavier and I need to read the newest one. I do enjoy the Riordan books but sometimes his changes feel too heavy and it pulls me out of the story.

-Mysteries, I grew up reading and watching all the classic mysteries and then discovered new authors on my own. I don't have any sort of head for writing mystery plots but I love reading them when done right. I can reread a Ngaio Marsh or a Pratchett because the characters are real and the story is worth a read even if I remember who but maybe not who or why.

-Comfortable romance, this is a really tricky one to explain but I adore when friends who know each other make the choice to be something more. When its written well, its amazing but its also such a horrible trope that its hard. I like feeling like the two people in love know each other and trust each other.

-Creative characters, so many protagnanists are warriors that I get so happy when there's a character who succeeds by being someone who makes. Then seeing how they show where they fit within their world. Sameth from the Abhorsen Chronicles is my current favorite example of this.

Edit to add one more, good historical settings where its understood that things will be different, this also holds true in new worlds. I want to feel like I'm going back and don't want to see a feminist woman in Jane Austen's England. Instead I want to see a strong woman who has her own views that fit with the time, but this is so hard to get right. Historical fiction is the genre that disappoints me the most because people don't research or really think a situation through.
I think that's all I can think of for now but this is a wonderful idea to ponder.
These are awesome.
Oooo, narrative kinks. Love me some psychic children hiding their abilities in a normal world. Also, stories set in a far future Earth where there has been some sort of apocalypse and technology has been lost, and the characters have found the lost civilization's remains (Andre Norton's "Star Man's Son" for the win).
You've read Zenna Henderson?

klwilliams

5 years ago

thedragonweaver

5 years ago

tiferet

5 years ago

Music:Ludo, "Lake Pontchartrain."

EEEeeee! I love this band!
OH MY GOD I LOVE THEM SO MUCH.
My narrative kinks:

* Gender flexibility/transgender issues/aliens with different numbers or types of gender and sex.

* Non-stereotypical gender roles

* Nasty mean evil people getting poetic justice served to them

* Fascinating new places, creative new worlds

* New twists on old tropes

* Urban fantasy

* Fantasy on other worlds that has technology higher than feudal Europe. I can't STAND standard sword and sorcery crap.

* Humor in the midst of the most dramatic stories.

* Stories that openly mock common tropes and cliches.

* Characters with traumatic pasts/psychological issues/healing emotional pain
Lovely!
Urban fantasy with HIDDEN magic. I finally figured out that's the deciding factor for me, and the main reason I like Butcher and Armstrong way better than Hamilton and Harris.
That makes a lot of sense.
Nonhuman characters, with a really nonhuman mindset. Mercedes Lackey's gryphons are a good example here - their occasional bafflement with the foibles of their humans gets me to chuckle every time. Courageous prey animals, utterly alien fae or angels or demons, speaking animals that behave like animals. Many of my favorite characters are not human. C.S. Friedman's Iezu 'demons' are a -really- good example, and though they're all human, her exploration of people whose brains and minds have been changed by exposure to space (it is cooler than that, seriously) in This Alien Shore is just... fwaaah. (Though honestly that book's probably problematic in a zillion ways I'm not even seeing.) Timothy Zahn's Conquerors trilogy is another good choice for a fun exploration of a nonhuman mindset.

The Toby books hit this one for me, specifically Lily and the Luidaeg; Tybalt gets it occasionally, which is just the icing on the Tybalt cake as far as I am concerned. :3
This is a good one.

kyrielle

5 years ago

Yes, please: Logically post-apocalyptic worlds. Cooks or bookstore owners/employees as main characters. Bargaining and bargains. Books as plot points. Intelligent treatments of recovering alcoholics. Practical heroines.

No, thank you: Falling in love turning a character dippy. Pet death.
Agreed.
My narrative kinks, in no particular order:

*Mind control or mental domination: Being forced to feel something that you didn't mean to feel, feeling out of control or doing something out of control.

*Religion off-kilter: If someone takes established religions and changes them slightly to mean something different or affect the world differently, that really gets me going. The Stand and American Gods are good examples of this.

*Evil: I know that it mostly exists as an abstract rather than something concrete in nature. But I have to admit that having someone be concretely and unapologetically evil (even if they don't know, and even if they do), it pushes all the right buttons for me. It turns other people off, but I don't care.

I'm sure there are more, but these are the ones I can think of now.
Good ones!
Interesting question.

Theatrical settings, past & present: John Ford's contributions to the Liavek shared-world series, for example. Shakespeare's London, of course, although I'm picky about this: Scott & Barnett get it right in The Armor of Light, but Turtledove's Ruled Britannia lost me when he tried to show us an alt-Shakespeare play and the verse was not even meh. [There is not enough non-Elizabethan theatrical fantasy, which is why I've begun writing it.]

Shakespearean speculation generally, with the above-noted caveat about solid execution. I've tried and dropped three or four historical-mystery series that have attempted to cast Shakespeare as their lead, because the tone just isn't right. OTOH, the folks who wrote the animated series Gargoyles are geniuses of the first water in my book. [I should note here that my interest in matters Shakespearean does not, with rare exceptions, extend to the minefield that is the Authorship Question.]

Ancient Egypt, either as setting or subject matter: I came early to Peters' "Amelia Peabody" series of mysteries, for instance. I like both serious history/alt-history and costume-drama Egypt (i.e. the Mummy movies, Indiana Jones, et al), but I will quickly lose patience with attempts at the former that clearly aren't well-researched.

Sharp, listenable dialogue (and I do mean dialogue, as distinguished from first-person narration). I will forgive a good deal if your characters' conversational skill shows in the writing, and I am especially fond of tie-ins where the writer has clearly got the voices of the characters down.

Effectively executed plot twists. This isn't just a question of whether an author can surprise me; it's a matter of a twist being sprung in such a way that it's both maximally startling and entirely justified by all that's come before. To me, at least, the endings of the two Newsflesh books are especially good examples of this. If an author does one of these successfully, I can reread the book despite knowing what's coming, because I can either admire the skill with which the setup is staged, or in some cases find myself sufficiently immersed in the narrative that the twist is a surprise all over again.
Very nice ones.
* Secret histories. Hidden worlds that exist right under the surface of worlds that are more familiar. Combine the two and I’m hooked.

* Intrigue, whatever the setting—court, corporation, political party, academia. Power, used for good and for ill. Secrets and the people who keep them. Conspiracies. Spies. Reporters trying to unravel it all.

* Characters who don’t know their own background/history/origins and have to find out who they really are. Or characters who are estranged from their families/childhood homes and find new ones.

* Romances that break the rules about who is allowed to love whom.

* Smart, mature teenagers who have adult problems and a lot of freedom.

* People who might look human but don’t act like they are, because they aren’t. (Yes, this gets me in trouble every time with the ‘if it looks like a human, it’s a human and should behave like a good human’ crowd; I don’t care.) Faeries who can’t say thank you, vampires who don’t want to be controlling but can smell when you’re in trouble 5 miles away, pheromonal command structures, demons who can’t lie. Being non-human should mean something more than having a funny forehead or being allergic to iron.

* Childhood loves that are true. I love it when some kid says “I’m going to marry him/her when I grow up” of a completely inappropriate young adult, then goes away for a while, comes back…and does. I also love it when childhood friends who have always treated each other with respect and love grow up and fall for each other. Particularly when they shouldn’t, due to class or caste or consanguinity.

* Science and magic working together because they both have rules and limitations and make sense, and also because I have seen enough evidence of both that I can’t believe they’re exclusive.

* Stories about actual religions/mythologies where the author Did The Research Well.

* Main characters who are creative—artists, performers, writers, crafters—or academic, or political.

* Female characters who are strong-willed, independent, self-directed, and don’t give it up for a man. (I know someone will ask why I like Bella Swan. She never gave anything up that she really wanted; the things she gave up were things that other people thought she ought to want. SHE wanted immortality, eternal beauty, physical prowess, and a place in the secret world she’d stumbled into far more than she wanted school or a job or a normal boyfriend. And she got them; it was Edward who kept telling her she should want that other stuff. SHE decided she wanted the child she accidentally conceived, when others were disapproving. And so on.)

* Male characters who are beautiful, self-possessed, witty, compassionate, capricious and flirtatious, who know their own worth, like to take care of people and make things beautiful.

* Adultery can be fun. I like situations where people are more or less forced to cheat situationally. I know, nobody is ever forced to cheat, you needn’t bring this up, but forced to choose between denying themselves actual love or cheating—I don’t think people should have to deny themselves actual love, though once you have it, getting to a place where you can have it openly should be high on the list of priorities—which doesn’t mean there might not be something higher.

* Transgender characters.

* Asexual characters.

* Characters in relationships with more than two parties, presented as something that happens, neither superior nor inferior to the other kinds.
* Oh, and if you try to make your main character a sociopath and DO IT WRONG (making his obsession with morality obvious when he shouldn't have one, for instance), I will likely love the character more than sweet tea... (Jim Profit is my favourite ever.)

Re: Narrative kinks

tiferet

5 years ago

I'm a sucker for stories that involve the creation - accidentally or not - of a family. For example, Whedon's "Firefly" and CJ Cherryh's "Merchanter's Luck".
This seems to be a common, and awesome, theme.
I love to see women in action roles and men as nurturers, as long as the story doesn't call attention to it. In the same way, characters who aren't white or straight but aren't, "AND JESSI WAS THE BLACK ONE."

I like scientists (who actually do science) and detectives (who actually detect, and don't just stumble onto the answers by luck.)

I like to see a haughty character brought down, or an emotionally inaccessible character made to open up. (But only if they don't want to.)

In a magical setting, I like to see someone who isn't that good at magic, or doesn't have any at all (and doesn't turn out to be the Chosen One with undreamed-of power that manifests at a plot-critical time.) Toby was really refreshing in that department!

I like my protagonist to be the guy who will watch his enemy flail around trying to be Bruce Lee, and will either knock him out with one efficient punch, or whip out a gun.

In science fiction, I like for the science to work as accurately as possible. I especially like first contact stories in which humanity is fairly new to interstellar travel, and the alien race is neither ridiculously advanced nor totally primitive. Just far enough behind humanity to give their society a steampunk feel is ideal.

And I like YA and kids' fiction that doesn't talk down to its readers. Children aren't stupid; they just have less experience than adults. And their minds can handle a lot more than some grownups think.
Very good ones.
* Worlds in which electricity and similar things stop working or never worked due to the presence of magic; I cannot stop thinking about how a human brain or heart functions without electrical impulses, or why magnets work but electricity doesn't.

* I generally dislike made-up religions. Most people don't make up religions that are believable and when they do, they're usually thinly disguised versions of ones they might as well have just used. NK Jemisin is really the only person I can think of who has done completely made-up religion well enough that I enjoyed it and asked for more.

* Did Not Do The Research in anything having to do with religion. Aleister Crowley was not in favour of human sacrifice; that was a gross pun. Making all the observant Jews in your universe followers of “Yeshua” won’t stop being offensive because you call them “Habiru.” Replacing the Catholic Church in a mediaeval world with “The Goddess” might lead to oppression but it will not look the same. Generic paganism, generic Native American or African or Asian religion. Deciding that one religion is truer than the others in your world is fine, including the other gods in your world as punching bags or making them demonic not. Evil Christians should show some sign of having read the Bible. And so on.

* Romances in which a tough, self-directed female character who may not like or want kids suddenly becomes “softer” and changes her mind because she falls in love with the male lead. (Yes, this means that I loathe about 95% of all het pairings on genre TV. This is why I write original het but most of my fanfic is slash.) Temperance, I mourn you. Don’t take the cranky, childfree, emotionally stunted, intellectual, self-possessed women I identify with and turn them into Stepford Wives or I will just not trust you. (This is why I didn’t want Jo with Dean; Wincest aside, I didn’t want her to turn into Lisa.)

* Romances in which a female character who has her hands full dealing with a feckless, immature male lead professionally ends up having to sleep with him, so she is never not responsible for him. (Dana Scully, and Pepper Potts, I’m so sorry your writers mistreat you.)

* Romances in which a female character with an awesome personality and life of her own gets to do nothing onscreen but take care of some important male character’s emotional ouchies. (I never shipped Kirk/Spock until the last movie, when I saw what they did to Uhura.)

* Romances in which a female character is subjected to Nice Guy Syndrome ™ and gives in. Especially if we have to hear the guy whining about how he’s not as awesome as the other boys but he’s the only one who’s really devoted. (If Rory Williams were a girl, people would say worse things about him than they say about Bella.)

* Fake Nazis. If you're going to do Nazis, do them and do the research and take the care that you need to take to write about them well and palatably. If you think just changing the name and a few details of the setting will prevent your story from being offensive...it won't.

* People who have terrible childhoods and then grow up to completely accept the superior status of adults, and act as though troublesome kids just need a good beating? Don’t want to read it. Chrestomanci turned me off DWJ for YEARS; I pretty much want to put him through the window right after Thomas Covenant after some of his comments/actions toward bratty and troubled kids he encountered :) I can't be sympathetic toward any adult who dismisses or patronises or manipulates kids no matter how sugar-coated it is. I don’t like Dumbledore either. Disliking kids is fine, but they are people, don’t treat them otherwise.

* I don't like books where people spend more time going places than they do doing what they do when they get there.

* I hate the casual use of rape as a plot point—be that as evidence that the bad guy is a bad guy, or “because it’s realistic” (rape is common now and still some people don’t experience it). I especially hate it when it’s used to explain how a female warrior got to be so badass. Some women are just tough and violent, okay? We’re not all compassionate angels who have to be broken by the dick of evil before we can learn to kick ass.
Romances in which a tough, self-directed female character who may not like or want kids suddenly becomes “softer” and changes her mind because she falls in love with the male lead.

Hells yes. Some of my beta readers suggested that the main female protagonist have a baby with her fiance or after "being raped by the antagonist" "just because it would be cool" and I almost said out loud "I hate you so much right now. Not kidding."

meko00

October 20 2011, 20:51:52 UTC 5 years ago Edited:  October 20 2011, 20:56:12 UTC

You know English is my 2nd (or well, maybe 3rd or 4th or perhaps even... am Scandinavian), and I mostly taught myself by reading and watching a whole lot; mostly detective fiction with continuity where the plot was just a scaffolding for character development or a discussion of social or legal matters. So, even though I love stories when done well, I primarily like to learn more about stuff that makes sense even if the sense itself is so foreign. Also, my father's an architect and my mother's a jurist. Love attention to details. And, prose. Love poetry when done well, but prefer looser boundaries; read languages and linguistics and cognitive science at university. Sometimes, actually quite often, things cannot be fully understood... which intrigues my inner INTP.

And I'm pretty logical, so as long as the plot makes sense it doesn't matter all that much to me what it is (and yes, could figure out the ending in One Salt Sea too, and it didn't matter in the slightest). Adore well-drawn characters, snark, irony, wit and moderately absurd humour. Loathed Emma Bovary because she was so infuriating even though I loved Madame Bovary for its lovely language and setting (yes, I read it in French).

I tend to prefer stories that aren't too polished; vastly prefer Persuasion over Sense and Sensibility, for instance, though I admit the chronology and maturation helps. Love narratology, but well... see above.

Tired, so my thoughts are probably all over the place. Apologies.
No apologies needed; these are lovely.
It's not something I think about a lot, but when you put it out there, I probably have a few. I love alternate worlds, especially ones that exist in parallel to our own. The world of faery in the October Daye's is an example of that. I also really like the idea of a person that can take the form of an animal or an animal that isn't really an animal. A good example of an idea like that really tickled me was the daemons in Phillip Pullman's His Dark Materials trilogy. I like the idea of spirits taking over a person or living in a person. One of the best ideas in Lev Grossman's The Magicians for me was the caco demons. And this one is weird. Spiders scare the bejeebers out of me (one day I'd love to tell you the story of the huntsman that found it's way into my car), yet I try to put them in stories! Great big ones that have some human characteristics. I haven't studied them in any depth, but I know more than a lot of people do about them, because I believe in knowing your enemy. It hasn't helped me conquer the fear, but I live in hope that I will.
Very nice.

And good luck with the spiders.
This is kind of hard to explain, but I like layers of mysteries, where you don't always find out everything at the end of the book. Along those lines I also dig an unrealiable narrator, especially one who doesn't know they are unreliable.

Or maybe I just on a Peter Straub kick.
Hee.

I can see this.
Time travel. All of it is good, but time loops make me giddy.

Alternate universes/timelines/histories.

Redemption arcs. Interesting villains or antiheroes.

Fairy tales and mythology retold.

...I have a shameful weakness for punny titles.*

*And also footnotes.
Awesomesauce.
Mentorship, all the way. I don't know what it is above mentorship relationships, but I enjoy them way to much (and regret nothing).

I'm also really into in jokes and Noodle Incidents; these little mentions of the past are what really make stories stories and characters characters--which is probably why I enjoyed reading about Shaun and George's childhood experiences with life and babysitters and such in the Newsflesh books and why I love fanfiction and all the possibilities it offers for so many different series.

Of course I also really enjoy when the protagonist of a story gets thrust into a situation where, in order to escape alive (though not necessarily unscathed!) , they have to apply subtle, even unintentionally learned knowledge that they've picked up over X amount of time. Again, I feel like this kind of thing just makes stories and characters more real.
I tend to agree with all of these.
Can you recomment me some of these stories with awesome scientists as main characters, that treat science well and fairly? As a climate scientist, I could do with some comfort reading of a world where science is portrayed well, preferably respected!

Narrative kinks:
*Original magic systems, especially where the magic is internally consistent and doesn't just fix everything at the wave of a hand. Relatedly, good worldbuilding.
*Strong female characters, who don't just change or give everything for a man.
*Post-apocalyptic societies and dystopias, I'll pretty much always give such a book a try.
*Stories that use the sidhe/tuatha de danaan, or other interesting fae such as selkies, instead of tokien-ified elves etc (way overdone), especially when it's semi-historical (I love Juliet Marillier!)
*Fairytale adaptations

Squicks:
*Stories with gratuitous romance/sex, especially poorly done when it changes people. I'm finding this a big problem with urban fantasy, as too often they have Surprise Romance (e.g. the recent book i tried by Ilona Andrews. Such a great world, why did she have to destroy it with stupid love story?)
*Things where people make an absolute fool of themselves. It makes me really uncomfortable, when things are that humiliating in tv/movies I have to leave the room.
*I don't particularly like stories that focus on the form and trying to write the story in an unusual way, especially at the expense of story. See: anything postmodern.
Anything by Janet Kagan; any of Tiptree's scientists; James Powlick's Sea Change (although the sequel is terrible, try to avoid it no matter how much you love the first one).
The one thing that irritates the crap out of me-- and even has the handy "exception to the rule" to prove it!-- is time travel. (The only exceptions were the time travel in the Harry Potter books and all things Doctor Who.) I wish that would get stuck back in to the box and never come out.

I love prophecy. Shapeshifters. Multi-generational fantasy. (See: Chronicles of the Cheysuli for one series that made me utterly fanatical with SQUEE.) the "chosen one."

Oddly, despite having two of the three ("chosen one" and prophecy), I loathe the Wheel of Time books. For many, many reasons.

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