(*All reviews are matters of opinion. One man's trash is another man's treasure is a third man's raw materials for their planet-buster earthquake machine. Please do not yell at reviewers, unless the reviewers are saying things like "and this book is so bad that it proves the author likes to microwave kittens." If I am accused of being a kitten microwaving fiend, feel free to step in.)
I did not meet this reviewer's expectations, and my ending did not meet his standards for "this is how a book should end." That is fair, and I am sorry, although I stand by the shape of the story. I do find it interesting that there's often this assumption that a) things are artificially inflated into trilogies, and b) my publisher forced me to end Deadline the way that I did. So I wanted to state two things, for people who may have been wondering:
This was always a trilogy. It's a trilogy not because people expected it to be, but because that was the shape the story took. I started writing Feed (then Newsflesh) as a stand-alone book, and watched as it turned into something longer, a story with a beginning, middle, and end. Acts one, two, and three. We went to Orbit with three books, one finished, one half-finished, and one heavily outlined. The next project I'm planning to undertake as Mira Grant is a duology, rather than the admittedly more marketable trilogy. Why? Because that's the shape of the story.
The ending of Deadline (then The Mourning Edition) was always exactly as written. Why the stress? Because when you read the book, I want you to understand that the book's last line was in the original pitch package. Orbit had absolutely nothing to do with that ending. If anything, they might have encouraged me to provide something a little more concrete, and a little less "now is the time that the house lights come up and we all go to intermission."
The Newsflesh trilogy is a Schwartz musical, not a Sondheim; it's a 1980s horror film, not a 1950s monster mash. That's just how the story is shaped. I'm really sorry if I let any of you down, or if you don't like this shape. But it was my choice, not my publisher's, and it was dictated to me by the way the story needed to go. I will always go the way the story needs to go, even if that way isn't the one that's guaranteed to make the most people happy.
Treasure, trash, or death ray. It's all in the eye of the beholder.
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September 27 2011, 18:44:49 UTC 5 years ago
Then again, that's my own opinion ;)
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I suspect that he's been burnt by the latter type of author, but the problem as I see it is that he's generalising that all trilogies are the same.
(Hmm, if he thinks it's slow with not much happening I wonder what he thinks of the Niven and Pournelle thick books. Those are definitely slower. As for the 'classic' Russian authors...)
September 27 2011, 19:15:24 UTC 5 years ago
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1) Most characters in SF/F and all characters in horror who start out sane won't stay that way long. Protip: PTSD is a mental illness. Sanity is like health. Everyone has some degree of function and some degree of pathology. Stress, violence and lack of resources all encourage pathology.
2) I have quite a lot of mental pathology. Yet when I read books about relatively temporarily sane people (and by this I mean those who are ACTUALLY temporarily sane, not just the ones the writers think are sane, who clearly are not) I don't get to dismiss them by saying, "oh well, it's difficult for me to relate to people who are too mentally healthy." In fact I don't get to say that ever, which sometimes is a pity because there are people in the world who will never understand that they don't make sense to me either, but since they have temporarily sane privilege, they don't have to try. (I have NO comprehension about what it's like to live in a world where you expect: that authority is responsive, fair and benign; that it is safe to tell people what REALLY bothers you--not annoys, but unhinges you; that surprises will be pleasant ones; that you will be liked, if not admired, by most of the people you meet; and so on. If I can accept that most people feel like this, this dude can accept that Shaun talks to Georgia in his head.)
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September 27 2011, 19:42:21 UTC 5 years ago
But I fully disagree with his opinion and am chiming in to say I loved it and my only problem with it were my cries of, "OH MY GOD I NEED THE NEXT BOOK." at the end. ;) However, I am patient so I can happily wait.
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Perhaps my threshold for cliffhangers is odd. I recall a much-younger me reading Hambly's The Silent Tower (the second or so Hambly book I'd read; the first was the standalone, equally-thick Dragonsbane [yes, I know it went on to be a series; that book stood alone at the time]). And, as I was getting near the end, I was realizing that either it was going to be one hell of a downer-ending, or a cliffhanger, and I didn't know which one would make me scream more.
As it happened, it was a cliff-hanger.
But that has shaped my perception of cliff-hangers ever since. And Deadline's ending compares favorably.
(On the other hand, in my grand unpublished duology, more than one person offered me at least theoretical violence if I actually stopped at the ending of book one, which I thought was actually a perfectly fine place to stop. So my perception of cliffhangers may be... warped. Or something. >_> )
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September 27 2011, 19:43:35 UTC 5 years ago
I will have you know my friend to whom I recommended these books called me up out of the blue and left a three minute voice mail squeeing about the ending of Deadline. None of my friends have geeked out about a book like that in a very, very long time. Thank you. <3
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You are being as clear as you can about your intentions, and that's both a good thing and probably the only thing you can do. (Well, you could also not publish, but I'm glad you are publishing.)
September 28 2011, 14:26:25 UTC 5 years ago
I'm not sure I can keep reading your journal.
September 27 2011, 19:58:34 UTC 5 years ago
When will the madness end!?! WHEN!?!?
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September 27 2011, 20:06:01 UTC 5 years ago
To the rest, some people like cliffhangers, and some people don't.
What I find oddest about this is the focus on the one singular sex scene. I don't have my copy of Deadline on hand, but if memory serves, it was not particularly graphic or particularly long -- maybe a couple of pages at most? Not really worth bringing up twice in one review in my book.
Still, he's welcome to his opinion. Clearly you have a number of people who disagree.
September 28 2011, 14:27:43 UTC 5 years ago
And yeah, that puzzled me, too. I'm just glad he didn't call Becks a slut for pursuing sex. Several reviewers have.
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I thought "Deadline" had three potential endings, any of which works, and the one you chose to actually end with was certainly the one with the biggest "Holy f***" potential. I certainly don't think you should have changed anything.
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September 27 2011, 20:54:03 UTC 5 years ago
Duologies are so rare! Buck the trend!
Because when you read the book, I want you to understand that the book's last line was in the original pitch package.
I can confirm this! Because you told it to me months and months before Feed even came out. And then I promptly forgot it, thankfully. And then I remembered it again. SPOILER WARNING.
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September 27 2011, 21:07:33 UTC 5 years ago
Maybe he should have had an ice cream before he wrote his review.
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September 27 2011, 21:26:01 UTC 5 years ago
Deadline, however, is listed as part of the Newsflesh Trilogy before the title page. I'd count that as fair warning.
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September 27 2011, 21:45:21 UTC 5 years ago
for one, privilege check and for another what is this deal with having to identify with the protagonists of a book in order to find the experience enjoyable? i don't get it. that is the weirdest thing to me. (i guess i'm not identifying with this type of reader)
i mean, okay, sure maybe you'll identify with certain characters more than others, but i've never had to identify with a character in order to like them and sometimes i have identified with a character (we share a truly annoying characteristic) and not liked them AT ALL.
September 28 2011, 08:37:05 UTC 5 years ago
And why do you have to identify with a protagonist?
Shaun was seriously messed up yes, but within the confines of his environment I find it entirely understandable. Anyone who had to kill their own sister (even without their rather warped relationship) would be affected, and surely not in a good way.
The whole book was an inevitable slide to what happened to Shaun at the end (what happened next was unexpected but when you think about it, also likely inevitable in the world of Shaun)
I knew it was the middle book of a trilogy, and the very last movement in the final act was an interesting twist, but it also sets it up (with Shauns variation) for Book 3
It does suffer a bit of middlebookitis - where the purpose of book 2 is to extend the story in book 1 and setup for book 3 - and not necessarily stand alone on its own merits.
The constant lurch from one disaster to another was wearying, added to Shauns habit of recklessly diving into a situation merely to provoke a reaction - an extension of the 'poking the zombie with a stick' Irwin mentality. I can cope with a certain amount of that, but an entire plotline based on those principles, spiralling down into self destruction made it not necessarily the easiest book to read.
I felt similar while reading Feed, it was clearly moving to a destructive ending, tho I was taken by surprise by who and how - it held the dramatic tension well.
But Deadline felt like watching a car crash in slow motion, you know its going to happen but are helpless to stop it, not the most comfortable reading matter.
So yes I get that it may not be everyones cup of tea, but for me its an incredibly brave and bold writing style. And an innovative story and engaging characters.
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September 27 2011, 21:51:39 UTC 5 years ago
That said, I can't help myself from reading -some- books, just because they look so darned interesting. 'Feed' warned me - it did - that it was part of a 3-some. So did 'Deadline'. My nibbling my nails down to the knuckle is purely my own fault. [But -damn- they were fun!] ... it just means that I re-read the priors before getting to the newbie.
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As for having to wait for resolution, heh. I'm going to assume this guy doesn't read George R. R. Martin or Scott Lynch or any of the other fantasy authors who write series? Whatever. Not every book is going to be a solo venture!
Now, the waiting *is* hard... but at least we have Toby books and other things to read while we wait!
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