Instead, I want to talk about illegal resales.
Yesterday afternoon, some bold soul wandering the internet jungles encountered a site that looked too good to be true: a private seller offering huge numbers of ebooks, some by extremely popular authors, for two dollars each, or ten for ten. That's, like, amazing! That's incredible! And best of all, that's totally against the law! This individual told a few authors, who told a few more, who told a few more, and then the wrath of the internet came down upon that seller's head, since people don't take kindly to being stolen from. The sales page was taken down. The seller changed the name on her twitter. All done, right?
Not quite.
First, there's the matter of the seller herself. She's not going to be named, because I don't play that kind of game, but I think it's important to note that she justified her actions by saying that she was trying to make money to pay for her kidney transplant medications. This? Is a sad story. It may even be a true story. It's also the kind of thing that's sort of calculated to make people back off and not want to be the bad guy by yelling at the woman who's just trying to afford her drugs, so she doesn't die. To this I say...
I am so very, very sorry that people are ill. I hate that we live in a country without medical care for everyone. It's a huge, scary, horrible issue. But I can't sit back and let people profit off my work because they're sick. There are a lot of sick people, and sometimes, I'm one of them. If I said "oh, it's okay because you're sick," I'd wind up in a world of trouble. And Alice would be dead, since only being paid for my work enabled me to pay for her extremely expensive, extremely unexpected vet bill last year.
Second, I can almost understand people who put things up for free. Yes, they're stealing, and no, I don't condone it, but they're not trying to profit off someone else's property. They're not taking cookies out of the back of a bakery and selling them for half-price at a food truck down the street, they're giving out cookies for free. One of the big "you're over-simplifying, you're not seeing the big picture" arguments in the whole book piracy discussion is "not every download is a sale." Well, if someone is selling my books, independent of my publisher, every download is a sale, and it's a sale I'm not getting paid for.
People like getting things for less money. It's the natural way of mankind. It's why we clip coupons, shop at Ross, and wear last year's sweaters. But there's legitimate discounting, and there's stealing, and sadly, it can be hard to tell them apart.
Finally, and most troubling to me, this represents a snapshot of the biggest problem I see coming down the pike, as ebooks become a bigger and bigger percentage of the books sold: there is no ebook secondary market.
I love used bookstores. I exist because of used bookstores. In the last month, I have been to three Half-Price Books, two independent used bookstores, and a library book sale. When I was a kid, eighty percent of my books came from these places. Without the secondary market, I wouldn't have been able to read the way I did, and I would have grown up to be someone very different. I am worried about the smart, poor kids of today, and I can easily see more and more sites like this cropping up as people try to "resell" things that can't actually be resold.
I don't know that there's a solution. I'm worried, and I'm scared for what comes next. But this pirate site, at least, came down.
Please, remember that there's no secondary ebook market, and that if a price seems too good to be true, unless it's a promotion offered directly by a publisher...
...it probably isn't legit.
ETA: Please stop trying to make this a discussion about piracy. As noted above, that is not this post. We are treading old ground, and I do not have the energy or time to moderate this conversation right now.
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September 14 2011, 17:17:25 UTC 5 years ago
Though I do wish ebooks could be resold and/or lent out, the way you can do with paper books. It'd be nice to be able to share this cool new author you've found with friends -- 'cause how many times have you found a neat author by having their book shoved into your hands? (Favorite story about that, for me, is my husband suddenly discovering a love for Sharon Shinn and Tamora Pierce, when he's all military sf dude, normally. Suddenly, HE'S jonesing for their new books.)
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September 14 2011, 17:24:16 UTC 5 years ago
The lack of an ebook secondary market is a problem in two almost opposite ways. If the book has DRM, you can't resell it (and worse you can't even lend it; yes, I gather some Kindle books have a limited 'lend' ability but it then runs into the format problem, you can't lend it to anyone who doesn't have a compatible device). If it doesn't have DRM, you can copy it for a friend or whatever, but there is no transfer of ownership and that breaks copyright (and loses the author sales). I don't see any answer to either of them.
I read books as a kid through one of the following: I was bought them (rare, usually only birthday and Christmas); I used the library; second-hand bookshops and market stalls; relatives and friends lent books to me. The latter still happens, and is one of the main ways I find new-to-me authors, by recommendation and "try the first in the series" (and then if I like them I generally buy the whole series and get hooked by authors who keep writing more!). There are a few people I trust to just recommend without me reading the book first, not many. Second-hand bookshops are getting more rare, and as you say can't sensibly deal in e-books.
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September 14 2011, 17:38:28 UTC 5 years ago
And the local middle school's library now has some Nooks, to expand on that...
There's the Baen Free Library, of course, as a drop in the bucket.
None of which address the whole Used Bookstore thing. I've got my set of pre-read books from such places, too. O:/ I wish it would be in Kindle's interest to re-sell Kindle-books. They have the power to yoink those off the device, they would presumably have the ability to notice someone trying to sell the same book twice...
Apple might be able to do that as well. Not sure about B&N, since they sell books you can download onto your machine? Or they used to.
(Hm. Re-sale value might make some people less grouchy about DRM, if it's a case of "DRM means you can sell it to someone else; no DRM means you don't get re-sale rights.")
It would have to overcome resistance from publishers (and probably at least some authors), since they wouldn't be getting a cut from a re-sale, presumably. (Though if there's a minimum price (as one would assume is optimal, for micro-transactions), the re-seller could get X%, Amazon/Apple/Whoever would get Y%, and the publisher could be thrown a sop of Z%...)
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September 14 2011, 17:40:15 UTC 5 years ago
OTOH, that favors established authors, especially ones with series*. Giving a copy of Rosemary and Rue away free and DRM-free seems a lot more friendly to the marketing folks if it's to get people to buy the rest of the series, especially the shiny new books. And stay fans to keep buying shiny new books. Back when R&R was the only book out (but there'd be two more coming), it might not seem as smart. OTOH, for a new author, getting people to read your stuff so the nice publishers keep paying you to write them things, is a lot more important than if you're Big Name Author, who could sell thinly-disgusted rants on Things These Days and still generate sales.
* Because, say, it doesn't matter what order I approach the Complete Works of Robert Heinlein. But, say, The Dresden Files is a lot more confusing jumping in ten books in, and lowering the barrier to get someone hooked seems to make it easier. I know I avoid long-running series (especially in comics) for this reason.
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September 14 2011, 17:42:49 UTC 5 years ago
Anyway, a lot of words to say that I think a similar approach can be taken to old ebooks as it currently is taken to second hand books, with the added bonus of the author still getting royalties off of it.
Most of my reading was through the library as a kid, but then we didn't have any good second hand stores around.
September 14 2011, 17:58:25 UTC 5 years ago
It's messy.
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September 14 2011, 17:45:25 UTC 5 years ago
Just like now, the library would purchase X number of 'copies' of a digital title. The library (here's the cool part) could then lend these out in a variety of formats including direct web access (a la Kindle cloud reader) as well as tablets, Kindles, etc.
Once the number of copies is active, no one can borrow it until someone 'checks in' their copy (I will defer on automatic return at end of a given period).
If the e-publishers and e-distributors (are you listening Amazon, Apple?) put just a fraction of their cash reserves into this project and made it available free to public and school libraries, it would be HUGE...
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A book book? Lasts nearly forever by comparison. Run an ebook reader out of power and lose the charger. Imagine not ever being able to get another one. That's an investment?
I've even had the chance to try using more than one type of electronic device to read my books. It just doesn't work for me. Even if I write on one - I usually print out a paper copy to mark up for revisions. I can spread the pages out across 15' of floor if I need to. I don't know of a monitor yet that can do that.
Not that this is likely in any near future, but if I was selling a book, I would negotiate the epublishing rights separately, and retain control. (I'd probably NEVER sell a thing, and I'll own that.) You want one, you get it from me (or my ERP) and it's coded to identify copies if you pirate it. Amazon can YANK your purchased book from Kindle if the license expires or is found to be in error. Sorry! Here's your money back! (This policy is definitely not something I would want to be a part of, BTW.) Buy a book book from Amazon and hand it to a friend - they only know you bought it, done over.
Then you add in this kind of abuse and I throw my hands up and back away completely. There's no way this is better.
Kidney transplant medications? I'm bemused. ESRD is still the only automatic qualifying event for Medicare in this country (she was in this country, right?) and Part B does for that part. Last time I checked and DaVita makes a decent business providing these services, with this as the main source of payment. DaVita, Baxter...some other lovely big pharma companies...with patient assistance programs. You don't need to steal - ask me to help you get it covered. I'll be happy to. (I got the knowledge the hard way, and it's worth it to me to spare anyone else that experience.)
In short, the whole thing is just nasty. Victimization from start to finish - the entire currency used. "I'm a bigger victim than you, so it's okay!"
No. Gah.
September 14 2011, 17:59:25 UTC 5 years ago
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September 14 2011, 18:02:29 UTC 5 years ago
With my current limited income most of my purchases are through used bookstores & library sales. If a book purchase turns out to be not to my taste then I need to be able to recycle it back into the system for credit, so I can get another book which is worth keeping.
September 14 2011, 18:19:15 UTC 5 years ago
Yes. This. I had a rant about that a while ago offline, and was called some amusing Luddite names. So I put it online. http://reedrover.livejournal.com/121928
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September 14 2011, 18:16:38 UTC 5 years ago
Books are my passion. Writing is my playground. I like to hold the book in my hand. I like to flip the pages. I love buying a paperback, reading it through, and giving it to the library so that countless others can enjoy the same book. I enjoy having a good hardcover from a favorite author that, if possible, I can meet and get them to sign. I like all of these things.
Now we have this "ebook thing" and everything has gotten strange. Border's Books and Music, my first job is gone. Independent bookstores are closing. Amazon is looking at doing a "netflix for books" service. Authors are getting paid less for traditional print. Big publishers are screwing authors out of ebook deals. It is like the corporate world and future technology are having an epic, giant monster fight in my playground with my passion and I can only sit back and watch.
It isn't that I don't like ebooks. I have an older model Sony eReader. I have bought ebooks. It is a great way to save space and weight when traveling. It is great for reading an embarrassing book in public. It is great for getting normally out of print books. I also have been using it to translate Finnish fairy tales into English. Yet, the market is unsafe. Their is no "security key" that locks it to the buyer. And the piracy...
What happened to the days when all you had to do was walk down the street to the library or local book store and flip through a few pages? I wish it could be that simple again.
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http://reedrover.livejournal.com/128944
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1. You buy an ebook. It forever installs itself onto your current and all future eReaders/Kindle/nook. When you upgrade, it returns like spyware. If you buy a reader with more space, the file inflates in size to an equal percentage of your ereader.
2. After realizing you have too much stuff, you can go to a secondary store where you can sell the book for used. Doing so removes it from your reader device.
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This is going to be rather disjointed, as I am under the influence of powerful sinus medication!
September 14 2011, 18:56:53 UTC 5 years ago
But the idea of my entire library going POOF if Barnes and Noble goes under does alarm me.
Your point about access to e-books (made in another comment) is well noted, though. It sometimes bears reminding people that a lot of low-income families don't have basic computers, much less net access and an e-reader. I think we (the relatively affluent-ish, or those of us who aren't but absolutely need computers and web access for professional reasons) tend to think of it as being a basic utility, like power and light. It's not.
I wish there was a secondary market for e-reader rights. I wish I could donate my e-books, even, to people with, say, a basic computer than can run an e-reader program but less money for books (or less of a stubborn tendency to buy books instead of new jeans and wear the old ones until they're falling off and made up more of holes than fabric, anyway), because as much as I re-read books, there are still books I bought on e-reader (because they were bundled in a legit sale or special, for instance) that I know I'm higly unlikely to read again, and while I've got them archived for now, I wish I could pass them on. And I can't. I can lend some of them but the rights always revert back to me.
There's got to be a way to enact "rights passing" or maybe "Gifting but from my rights copy, not buying you a new rights copy"--it seems stupid that I can give away a dead tree book but I'm stuck with the rights to a digital one even if my reaction to said book was "I would throw this book at the wall with great force, except I'd be flinging my iPod across the room and that would be bad". The lend option, which I already referenced, strikes me as a beginning.
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September 14 2011, 19:31:17 UTC 5 years ago
if she would go and rob a bank for her medication money, she would be put into jail/prison and then her meds would be provided for her by the system. It would also provide her with a place to live and meals.
September 15 2011, 18:49:22 UTC 5 years ago
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September 14 2011, 19:51:34 UTC 5 years ago
http://www.baen.com/library/authors.a
They give ebooks away for free (mostly the first volume of series but not just that) and they seem to find it boosts sales of ebooks and of paper books.
My take is that poor children in the future will have access to more reading matter on the internet than was ever available in your second-hand book store - including Gutenberg out of print books, Wikipedia collections for offline reading, fan fic archives, blogs and, yes, pirated stuff too.
To get access they will need a computer and internet connection but if they go for second hand hardware and a slow connection (only twice as fast as what we have today instead of the premium service twenty times as fast as ours) this will be doable.
If that is too much Libraries will have free wifi and so will lots of other places. Hand me down hardware from older friends and relations will be available for free for any kid that is really that interested. Uruguay has already given every primary school kid in the country his or her own laptop. Rwanda is planning to do the same next year.
September 14 2011, 20:42:54 UTC 5 years ago
I love you dearly, honey, but no. Poor children will NOT have guaranteed internet, will NOT have guaranteed access to books and reading material if we take away the physical. I know, personally, people who cannot afford internet, television, or phones. Who do not have computer equipment of any kind, because it just gets stolen. As long as we think "theft is okay," those kids will have even their hand-me-down hardware taken away from them. It may not be the reality everywhere in the world. It is the reality here.
In addition, at least in America, there are serious threats to our libraries, and poor kids can't scavenge the free wifi when they can't afford to buy the cup of coffee that is the cost of admission.
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September 14 2011, 20:22:16 UTC 5 years ago
There's no sucky situation that video can't make better. :D
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September 14 2011, 20:43:40 UTC 5 years ago
Used bookstores have already stopped being a viable alternative many places. Finding one in LA (particularly one that would accept paperback fiction for resale) was next to impossible, which is part of why I went ebook-only (or very nearly so). I'm not sure how to fix this, or how to compensate for the effect that ebooks becoming a larger share of the market will have.
September 17 2011, 22:34:42 UTC 5 years ago
Stupid people.
September 14 2011, 20:48:28 UTC 5 years ago
I wish I had a solution. Books are so important. I wish everyone had access to as many books as they wanted, regardless of money or disability or any of the other factors that get in their way. I wish all authors were paid enough money to not have to worry about shit like this.
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Authors get sick too. Authors need transplants, and get cancer, and have heart attacks, and are in accidents too. Authors struggle desperately to pay their medical bills too.
Your justification is built of 180-carat fail.
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This is such a sticky situation, but there has to be another way for her to get money without resorting to theft.
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September 15 2011, 01:49:40 UTC 5 years ago
HOWEVER. I already owned at least one hard copy of every single one, sometimes two or three. And then when they became available online in legit, pay-money-please editions, I bought 'em all again and deleted the old versions. That's the only circumstances in which I can talk myself into feeling even slightly okay about it, and it still made my conscience squirm. :P
September 15 2011, 03:50:26 UTC 5 years ago
I've actually gone so far, when a book was only available in formats that I couldn't transform/access on the devices I had (oh, ebooks), to purchase the book in the available format and then "illegally" download a format I could access. Thankfully more formats are available now, but yeah... *sigh*
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September 15 2011, 02:55:51 UTC 5 years ago
I feel bad for someone who has health issues, but there are plenty of legitimate ways to make money, or to even ask for help if it's needed. People have organized auctions and donation drives online for people who are stuck in just that sort of situation.
What she did was absolutely inexcusable.
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September 15 2011, 06:46:49 UTC 5 years ago
Seanan, I consider you my friend. When my cancer came back for a third round, you were the first person I told, because I needed to say it to someone and really accept it. You offered lots of internet hugs.
But as much as we like each other, I could never, and would never, presume you were ABLE to help with my medical bills. We don't know each other that way. And besides that, people need to keep twp things in mind...
You enjoy a personal connection with many of your readers. The more famous and successful you become, the more you will have to sacrifice some of that to live your life. I talk to a lot of celebs on twitter, many are very nice, but when they have 600,000 followers...sometimes they can't say HI to everybody. Imagine if twenty people suddenly decided that YOU, yes, YOU! were their guardian angel, and could pay their medical bills. Um...Not so much.
The other thing people forget is that not all successful writers are rich. Yes, you have some opportunities and advantages (that you EARNED) that not all of us have. But you've mentioned yourself, you are still working a day job. You have several agents, who get their cut. You probably have a manager, as well as the agents. If not yet, you will someday. But you are not getting rich, Rich, RICH off of every book sale. You are earning a living.
Once we get you that three movie deal for The Masons, a CW show of Toby and a couple of those non related scripts you have always wanted to write produced...you'll be much better off. And ya know what?
Stealing from you will still be stealing. Stealing is wrong.
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