Seanan McGuire (seanan_mcguire) wrote,
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ONE SALT SEA open thread!

To celebrate the release of One Salt Sea, here. Have an open thread to discuss the book.

THERE WILL BE SPOILERS.

Seriously. If anyone comments here at all, THERE WILL BE SPOILERS. So please don't read and then yell at me because you encountered spoilers. You were warned.

You can also start a book discussion at my website forums, with less need to be concerned that I will see everything you say! In case you wanted, you know, discussion free of authorial influence.

Have fun!
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avhn

September 7 2011, 19:37:50 UTC 5 years ago

I think that Luideag is going to have Toby shift the Selkie's blood so they're Roane, which would mean that anyone without a skin is stuck being human.

Also, I went through and re-read all the old books and think I figured a bunch of stuff out. One of the more far-fetched guesses is that Simon is Toby's dad. I think this because Oleander talks about Amandine having taken something from Simon, and that that made him Oleander's to break - what she took could have been herself and Toby. And then she was changing Toby's blood to hide/protect her.

I think that at some point in the future we're going to have to deal with the missing Kings and Queens (which is hinted at strongly... especially with Toby saying that someone's going to have to find them, but she wasn't that crazy.) I also think that Toby is going to have to find her mom and fix whatever is making her crazy, or at least find out about it.

catsittingstill

September 7 2011, 20:15:22 UTC 5 years ago

Wouldn't Toby have to do this one Selkie at a time? And doesn't it take an awful lot out of her, even if the Luideag were to donate some of the power involved? (Does even the Luideag even have that much to donate?)

I don't think Toby could be Fae on both sides, or there would have been no human in her blood for Amandine to shift the balance of her blood to.

avhn

September 7 2011, 20:27:58 UTC 5 years ago

I don't know if Luideag has that much power, or if it's possible. I just think that Luideag might try to get Toby to help. It would make a lot of sense to me with Luideag telling them to distribute the skins as fast as they can.

I'm not sure if there has to be pre-existing human blood for Amandine to shift. We don't really know the rules of that magic yet.

Off topic, but... I really like that the scent of Toby's magic changed when her blood changed.

seanan_mcguire

September 8 2011, 21:18:34 UTC 5 years ago

Me, too. :)

vixyish

September 7 2011, 20:21:32 UTC 5 years ago

Seanan has said this publicly elsewhere, so I'm not spoiling anything-- Amandine (and by extension, Toby) cannot *add* something to the blood that wasn't already there. She couldn't have *added* human blood to Toby's mix. She could change the balance, the percentage, and she could *remove* things... but her powers don't include *introducing* human blood to a pureblood. (Or, I'm guessing on this part, adding any other race's blood to anyone who wasn't born with at least a small amount of that blood.)

So no... Toby's human father is her biological father. She had to have gotten her human blood from somewhere.

This does not make it impossible for there to have been other connections to Simon...

avhn

September 7 2011, 20:29:22 UTC 5 years ago

Hmm. Aw. I just really liked the idea of Sylvester *actually* being her uncle.

gmrmoro

September 7 2011, 21:52:03 UTC 5 years ago

Well, Simon for all we know, could have had a human ancestor somewhere, that would give Toby (if she were his daughter, I doubt it), like some human blood... but enough for her mother to play with and shift her towards human :)

avhn

September 7 2011, 23:26:53 UTC 5 years ago

Seems unlikely with what Seanan said in the FAQ posts about being changeling if you have any human blood because it makes you mortal.

cupcakery

September 7 2011, 23:57:01 UTC 5 years ago

My thought is that Amandine did something to Simon's blood that would count as her taking something away from him.

yoneit

September 8 2011, 03:26:50 UTC 5 years ago

I'm remembering a comment in Late Eclipses, I think, that indicated that Toby was not the only child Amandine had had and that the others had been killed. There was an implication that Simon was the father of one of those dead children. Amandine had had Toby as a kind of emotional replacement by her human husband and was desperate to keep her alive. Having her be more human than fae was part of keeping her alive.

cupcakery

September 8 2011, 04:07:37 UTC 5 years ago

Hm. Considering that Amandine's mad anyway and the presented idea of mixing blood being not good for the sanity, one has to wonder what a Dochas/Daoine Sidhe mix would've been like.

seanan_mcguire

September 8 2011, 18:22:50 UTC 5 years ago

Since the Daoine Sidhe are Oberon/Titania, and the Dochas Sidhe are Oberon/unknown, probably not bad. They have an ancestor in common, and that's usually what makes for stable mixes.

cupcakery

September 10 2011, 19:52:20 UTC 5 years ago

So then if a faerie made only by Maeve (like Undine - I think you have them as being made from Maeve's tears) and a Daoine Sidhe had kids, the mix would tend to the off-kilter side?

seanan_mcguire

September 11 2011, 03:12:34 UTC 5 years ago

Yup.

rymenhild

September 23 2011, 00:55:45 UTC 5 years ago

I'm thinking about Raysel's bloodline now. Sylvester is Daoine Sidhe (Oberon/Titania). Luna's parents, Blind Michael and Acacia are children of Maeve... with no involvement from Oberon, then?

seanan_mcguire

September 23 2011, 14:44:09 UTC 5 years ago

Incorrect. Blind Michael is Oberon/Maeve, Acacia is Titania. That said, Luna is not a mammal. Raysel should never have been conceived.

pendle1511

September 9 2011, 21:54:13 UTC 5 years ago

Taking the "Amandine having taken something from Simon", well we know that titles are passed down to pureblood children. And we know that Sylvester and Simon are twins, but which one was born first?

Perhaps Amandine had a role to play in the reason Simon isn't the Duke, and Sylvester is?

jenfullmoon

September 20 2011, 04:18:58 UTC 5 years ago

Yeah, I dunno on the blood shift, but I think Toby has something to do with fixing the selkie situation. Good point suggesting that the selkie will become officially roane.