Seanan McGuire (seanan_mcguire) wrote,
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ONE SALT SEA open thread!

To celebrate the release of One Salt Sea, here. Have an open thread to discuss the book.

THERE WILL BE SPOILERS.

Seriously. If anyone comments here at all, THERE WILL BE SPOILERS. So please don't read and then yell at me because you encountered spoilers. You were warned.

You can also start a book discussion at my website forums, with less need to be concerned that I will see everything you say! In case you wanted, you know, discussion free of authorial influence.

Have fun!
Tags: one salt sea, toby daye
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wendyzski

September 7 2011, 17:20:02 UTC 5 years ago

Sigh. You really do subscribe to the Joss Whedon school of character development. Still, I pretty much knew it was coming the moment he said that he'd asked to stay.

bigherman

September 7 2011, 17:23:19 UTC 5 years ago

Ah, Joss's Doomed Lover technique. I found Connor kind of annoying (the whole trying-to-have-an-affair thing before he got divorced was pretty lame-o and insulting to Tobe, in my opinion, and he never got a chance to make up for that lameness, so I was glad he got kicked off the cast).

wendyzski

September 7 2011, 17:35:15 UTC 5 years ago

I didn't see it that way - more of a "Yeah, I'm in an arranged marriage and my wife is fuck-all insane and I wish I'd never listened to my Duchess..." kind of thing. Wishing he could have just one thing for himself. All mopiness for me was forgiven when he left his skin behind so that he could rescue Toby - that was like going into a firefight with no armor because the enemy had metal-detectors.

idancewithlife

September 7 2011, 17:38:34 UTC 5 years ago

This. That's when my view of him changed as well. I'll miss him.

bigherman

September 7 2011, 18:24:22 UTC 5 years ago

The fact that Toby was worried about getting cornered by him or being alone with him at all (as if he didn't understand her response of "No" the first time) was really worrying for me. He also didn't seem to care much about the fact that it would not only cause trouble for him and the courts, but Toby could be put in a very bad position if they had an affair and were found out.

The whole scenario seemed like a precursor to assault, and I breathed a sigh of relief when Connor checked himself, but still.

seanan_mcguire

September 7 2011, 18:39:45 UTC 5 years ago

Word.

archangelbeth

September 7 2011, 22:41:52 UTC 5 years ago

I miss him for Toby's sake. (Though I was pondering whether threesomes might enter the picture... Yes, yes, I am sadly a thorough Tybalt fancier...)

yoneit

September 8 2011, 03:30:20 UTC 5 years ago

I'd started to wonder about a threesome too, but I was never a Connor fan. No true sense of honor there and since Toby's so honorable that seemed like a mismatch. I'm a Tybalt fancier too though I wonder how that pairing would work out in the long run...

archangelbeth

September 8 2011, 20:53:26 UTC 5 years ago

Connor always struck me as... a nice guy. (Not the passive-aggressive kind, the "decent, reasonably compassionate if he notices something's wrong, not a hero" kind.) Not necessarily a deep thinker, can navigate social situations, easy to be around with... Not very dangerous.

Kinda Hufflepuff, all told. >_> Very much eclipsed by the more flamboyant, dangerous, King of Cats.

I could've seen a certain... don't-talk-about-it OT3 situation. Connor's easy-going nature would probably have let him share. Tybalt, on the other hand, undoubtedly wouldn't want to share, but better some of the cream than none. Mawow, meyow, as my resident Siamese+whoknowswhat would say.

sheistheweather

September 11 2011, 21:16:33 UTC 5 years ago

Hufflepuff gets such a raw deal. Who's to say there aren't witches and wizards with some serious spine and brain among the Hufflepuffs? Not directed at you, jst a constant disservice done to that House by Rowling.

archangelbeth

September 11 2011, 23:51:02 UTC 5 years ago

If you haven't yet... Hit Google with Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality -- it's mostly focused on Ravenclaw and Slytherin, but Hufflepuff gets a certain amount of "look, here's some of what's important about it" around the edges.

I meant it more in the sense of... Not a fanatic-hero type, like the Gryffindors. (Honestly, if you don't live a Gryff or Slytherin life, a Hufflepuff's probably a better match... They're more likely to be the sensible ones.)

tsgeisel

September 12 2011, 08:00:39 UTC 5 years ago

If you want something *done*, call a Hufflepuff. They're the ones who make things work, without making a big deal of things.

jenfullmoon

September 20 2011, 04:03:28 UTC 5 years ago

Yeah, I'd concur. He's not a bad guy for her to be with, but not massively exciting.

seanan_mcguire

September 22 2011, 22:23:23 UTC 5 years ago

Given Toby's daily life, "exciting" is not a romantic priority for her.

jenfullmoon

September 22 2011, 22:31:50 UTC 5 years ago

Certainly true, I was just thinking he doesn't mentally stand out as a strong personality to ah...spar with :)

But good point.

dulcinbradbury

September 13 2011, 13:00:57 UTC 5 years ago

I also admit to never being a Connor/Toby fan. I thought he was a nice guy who'd been in a crappy situation. I appreciated that he loved and supported her straight through the end.

And I knew from moment they were officially together that he wasn't going to make it to the end of the book. Though, I'd have accepted "sleep for a hundred years from elf shot" as another option.

seanan_mcguire

September 13 2011, 14:37:48 UTC 5 years ago

I miss him. :(

dulcinbradbury

September 13 2011, 14:55:20 UTC 5 years ago

Yah... I wished it had been the 100 year sleep. At least then he'd be alive again... someday.

He deserved some happiness.

ravenrose

September 19 2011, 16:17:06 UTC 5 years ago

I agree about Connor's skeeviness in making moves on Toby while he was still married... to bad for him the Fae are not poly... but I still teared up when he died. A noble sacrifice cancels out a lot of ill-will.

sheistheweather

September 19 2011, 16:32:32 UTC 5 years ago

I think Connor was stuck in an untenable situation in an abusive relationship with a seriously messed up, not actively seeking to be healed woman. Fae or not, that's a shitty place to be in.

seanan_mcguire

September 7 2011, 18:39:35 UTC 5 years ago

Do not! It just happened this time. I don't believe that no one can be happy, ever.