Seanan McGuire (seanan_mcguire) wrote,
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So I'm a crazy toy collector. This is not news. I spend hours upon hours stalking toy stores and flea markets and auction sites; I follow toy news blogs and read all the latest developments in the world of little plastic people. I'm a play-with-it collector, rather than a leave-it-in-the-box, look-at-it-smugly collector, and my room is basically the one I used to fantasize about when I was a little girl. The biggest scolding Thomas has ever received is when he whacked Draculaura off the shelf to see what would happen. (What happened? He got yelled at and felt bad. He has not repeated this offense.)

Being a crazy toy collector means, among other things, that I wind up acquiring and treasuring some things which are limited, and some things which are no longer available through anything but the action figure black market. It's all part of the game. And that includes the limited dolls made for the San Diego Comic Convention, or for the various Tonner Doll Conventions.

I have a point, I swear.

While I was in New York, I missed the 2011 Tonner Doll Convention, because, well, BEA. Several people on my Evangeline Ghastly Doll Collectors mailing list attended the Tonner convention, and were excited to get the convention-exclusive dolls. They started lining up at 7AM to get them. Supplies were exceedingly limited, and not everyone got a doll. There was much wailing and weeping and gnashing of teeth. And the first dolls started showing up on eBay less than twenty minutes later.

Now, these are dolls which cost $150 new. Not cheap, but understandable for a limited-edition vinyl ball-jointed doll. And they went up on eBay at $450 each. Why? Because people would pay it. The same thing is happening right now in my Monster High community. People who can't get to San Diego are ordering dolls from eBay scalpers who promise them the exclusives at three or even four times the original purchase price. (These are people who don't even have dolls yet, mind you; they're selling doll futures, the promise that they will go to the convention and somehow find a way to obtain all these toys.) It isn't limited to exclusive dolls, either. Toy scalpers regularly clear the shelves of "new and hot" toys, listing them on auction sites at two to four times original purchase price.

This bothers me. I understand supply and demand. I understand "I bought this doll and now I don't want her and I'd like to make back my purchase price," or even "I bought her and I want my purchase price plus five bucks for me standing in line." But there's something that just seems faintly scummy about going into a collector situation and buying things to resell at that kind of markup when you know there are other people in that line. Saying "I'm doing it for the people who can't be here, I have to charge extra to pay for my time and effort" doesn't really wash for me unless you're doing it at the last minute, after all the people who are there have had the opportunity to get the toys for themselves.

I wish we didn't do this sort of thing to each other. I wish we'd share, and say "I need one for me, and you need one for you, and maybe if there's some left over, I'll take an extra for selling later," instead of forcing the conventions to put tighter and tighter restrictions on people, because they feel like we just can't be trusted. Maybe they feel that way because we keep proving, over and over again, that we can't be.

And it sucks.
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Sorry, but I don't think "there's a market for it" washes an excuse to engage in parasitic and predatory marketing practices.
It may not be an excuse, but unless you think the government should control resale prices, no amount of indignation will change the fact that it will happen.
Nope. But they're still assholes for doing it.

I put serious thought into buying a spare copy of one of the World of Warcraft collector editions so I could eBay it. Decided not to screw over someone trying to get it for personal use.

My sister with up a Black Friday sale to get me a limited edition gold Legend of Zelda Nintendo DS the year the Wii was really popular. When she got to the counter, the salesclerk reached for a Wii. (That's what everyone else was in line for, pretty much.) She said she thought for about 2 seconds about taking it, selling it for 2 or 3 times what she paid for it, and getting herself something nice, but there were people outside waiting.

A friend of ours bought a PS3 that he ended up selling to a frantic woman before he even left the store. (In his defense, she wasn't there when he bought it; he worked there and had bought it on lunch.)

I understand the nature of supply and demand, but artificially reducing supply to make your item more valuable is kind of a dick thing to do.
Exactly.
Just because something's not illegal doesn't make it right. There's this whole MASSIVE area between "what a good idea" and "you should go to jail for that." Which is a good thing. But we still need to recognize that it's a continuum. Scalping tickets isn't the same as kicking puppies, but it's still selfish and (hopefully) thoughtlessly cruel.
This times a thousand.

For most goods like this, no, government shouldn't. There are some cases I would make exceptions for (and some/all of those exist in law to varying degrees, your mileage may vary depending on country). I think government should have limits on how much interest can be charged for loans. In Canada that limit is ridiculously high - at 60% - and oh you should hear the payday loan companies whine and complain about how they can't make enough profit kicking people when they are down with such a low rate of interest. Similarly there should be laws against selling other people, no matter how much you'd rather have that new Star Wards DVD than your 5th-born child.

But going back to the example of collective goods, my "indignation" may not stop the shithead asswipes from being shithead asswipes, but blaming the buyers for having brought it on themselves for being reluctantly willing to pay the price that has been artificially raised (because their only other option is going without) does not change the fact that predatory shithead asswipe scalpers deliberately creating scarcity to get better prices are preadorty parasitic asswipe shithead scalpers. Even if they are not breaking any laws.

Also, since I'm on a rant here, might I add that I don't like "blame the buyer" for it's similarities to other "blame the person getting hosed" scenarios that are oh so common in our society and part of the shitty "if something bad happened you must have done something to have it coming" attitude that is sometimes all to prevalent at certain times and is entirely full of shit at all times.
The government doesn't have to, the organisation can do it. Just sell with the explicit contract that says that resale must be through the organisation (or their appointed outlet; have a clause to cope with the organisation etc. going out of business). That's what a lot of ticket sales places are doing, so if anyone tries to sell on eBay or whatever they get sued for breach of contract. And if anyone sets up an eBay shop selling them before they are even out they can be done for fraud because they will never have them to sell.

The real collectors won't care, it will only hit those who are speculating on 'futures' or buying to make a profit. And if you don't like the contract, don't buy, no one's forcing you to do so, there are no 'unfair' conditions.
Contracts might not help. The suits would be complicated, and frankly kind of piddling as lawsuits go, so the organization might not want to go into the effort of tracking down every purchaser and suing them all.

Especially given that the person we're trying to protect is the third party, the person who shells out to the scalper. They wouldn't be a party to the contract, and now they actually have the dolls, so what are you going to do--take it back? (Note: you can't actually do that, because the third party wasn't involved in the contract.) The scalper would, upon reselling, be in breach of the contract, but the remedy would be...well, none, really. Damages, but there are none.

Not to mention, those types of contracts--the limits on resale--might be void as unconscionable.

(Sorry. You caught me during bar review studying, and we did Contracts and Sales yesterday and the day before.)
Well, no, you can't do much after they've sold it. And I woudn't anyway, the person who bought it now has it at a price they were willing to pay. If someone thinks that something is worth three times (or 300, or 3 million for that matter, look at the price for some old 'penny' stamps) its original cost and is willing to pay it, fine, that's their choice of what makes them happy.

The time to catch the scammers is before the resale, when the scammer advertises, or even better before the actual release when the speculators are advertising something they don't have yet (which, as far as I'm concerned, is fraud).

Certainly the "no resale" conditions do work in the UK, at least partially (which means that they are better than having nothing). Major festivals like Glastonbury do that, and something similar is being done for the Olympics (being national, though, that's almost a government enforcement, but it's actually being done without any extra laws through civil means). Of course, they do have an advantage in that the 'goods' have an explicit expiry date (tickets aren't worth much after the event!) but similar can be done with 'real' goods.

IANAL,NDIPOOTV.