Being a crazy toy collector means, among other things, that I wind up acquiring and treasuring some things which are limited, and some things which are no longer available through anything but the action figure black market. It's all part of the game. And that includes the limited dolls made for the San Diego Comic Convention, or for the various Tonner Doll Conventions.
I have a point, I swear.
While I was in New York, I missed the 2011 Tonner Doll Convention, because, well, BEA. Several people on my Evangeline Ghastly Doll Collectors mailing list attended the Tonner convention, and were excited to get the convention-exclusive dolls. They started lining up at 7AM to get them. Supplies were exceedingly limited, and not everyone got a doll. There was much wailing and weeping and gnashing of teeth. And the first dolls started showing up on eBay less than twenty minutes later.
Now, these are dolls which cost $150 new. Not cheap, but understandable for a limited-edition vinyl ball-jointed doll. And they went up on eBay at $450 each. Why? Because people would pay it. The same thing is happening right now in my Monster High community. People who can't get to San Diego are ordering dolls from eBay scalpers who promise them the exclusives at three or even four times the original purchase price. (These are people who don't even have dolls yet, mind you; they're selling doll futures, the promise that they will go to the convention and somehow find a way to obtain all these toys.) It isn't limited to exclusive dolls, either. Toy scalpers regularly clear the shelves of "new and hot" toys, listing them on auction sites at two to four times original purchase price.
This bothers me. I understand supply and demand. I understand "I bought this doll and now I don't want her and I'd like to make back my purchase price," or even "I bought her and I want my purchase price plus five bucks for me standing in line." But there's something that just seems faintly scummy about going into a collector situation and buying things to resell at that kind of markup when you know there are other people in that line. Saying "I'm doing it for the people who can't be here, I have to charge extra to pay for my time and effort" doesn't really wash for me unless you're doing it at the last minute, after all the people who are there have had the opportunity to get the toys for themselves.
I wish we didn't do this sort of thing to each other. I wish we'd share, and say "I need one for me, and you need one for you, and maybe if there's some left over, I'll take an extra for selling later," instead of forcing the conventions to put tighter and tighter restrictions on people, because they feel like we just can't be trusted. Maybe they feel that way because we keep proving, over and over again, that we can't be.
And it sucks.
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I am working on my second coven of dolls.
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Some of the more limited dolls by the more popular companies go for a pretty penny brand new - but when they hit the second hand market the price skyrockets even more.
I cringe when I think of how much I've forked over for the three I've bought off the second hand market. If you don't want it because you love it - let someone else who loves the item buy it and enjoy it without having to fork over a kidney.
Very sucky indeed.
June 15 2011, 18:51:30 UTC 6 years ago
This is why I haven't moved into Asian BJDs. All the ones I would want get hit by scalpers.
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June 15 2011, 20:08:07 UTC 6 years ago Edited: June 15 2011, 20:12:16 UTC
and yes, I'd love to get the Comic-Con exclusive Ghoulia, but there's no way in hell that's happening right now. Sigh.
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I also made reproduction antique porcelain dolls before AIDS did the number on composition and BJDs actually got underway. THAT was fun. I look at it now and blink at the money involved. The hours I would have to work in trade to pay for that hobby? Yikes. I did buy the 11" 'starter' type in Japan (hey, best memento, right?) but even that one was nearly four times as much as the fashion dolls of the same stature here. (The dolls? In boxes. No place to put them out, and that's been the case for decades now. Not giving up, but it does impact the decision making process.)
(You think this is bad, try dealing with people selling autographs. *grabs the brain bleach*)
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I felt it served the greedy, greedy scalpers right, buying something up just to inflate the price and paying the price. They didn't learn their lesson, of course; they found a new gadget or Christmas's "must-have" item, and profited off that. *sigh*
I HATE scalpers.
June 16 2011, 01:06:46 UTC 6 years ago
OMG, yes.
Such hate.
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June 15 2011, 21:46:51 UTC 6 years ago
When I had two tickets for the Joss Whedon/Dollhouse signing a couple years ago, the woman was hesitant to give me two wristbands, even though I assured her I had called a friend of mine to come down for the other one. Finally, she gave it to me and told me not to sell it.
And it just boggled my mind because the thought hadn't even occurred to me. If I hadn't been able to get a hold of one of my friends to use it, I would have just given it to some needy soul. Why do people have to be dicks?
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And then, the first act of the guys who'd cornered the market? These insanely rich kids who already had more money than God? Was to walk up to every other student in the common room and offer to sell them the cans for a dollar each. It was pure, mongrel-faced capitalism: we'd all seen them get the cans for free, they sure as hell didn't need the cash, and even though they'd each snagged more than they could possibly drink or carry, people still bought from them, because it was twenty cents cheaper than going to the machine. And all I could think was, "This, right here, is what's wrong with our fucking species."
June 16 2011, 01:11:58 UTC 6 years ago
That really is what's wrong with our fucking species. Jesus.
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Yes.
I hate speculators.
June 15 2011, 22:03:23 UTC 6 years ago
The other problem with speculators is that they are an artificial bubble. When the bubble bursts manufacturers and fans are left holding the bag.
Re: I hate speculators.
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Dammit. People suck.
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But I remember the Astro City story that showed up in a Wizard-exclusive #0 issue once that I had to wait for years to read in a collection. And it was even more annoying, because it immediately became my favorite story in the series once I finally got to read it...
June 16 2011, 00:05:01 UTC 6 years ago
Yeah, that's definitely worth it.
("No one forgets. No one.")
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I also collect anything Wonder Woman. Huge WW fan here. When I acquire the latest figure or statuette or doll or PEZ dispenser, I get two of them. One to keep in the original package, the other to rip into and play. Of course this all depends on how much funds I have to play with. :)
I sincerely hope you get the limited Monster High doll you've been wanting and waiting for.
June 16 2011, 01:14:31 UTC 6 years ago
I approve of your monster team! Have you seen Spectra and Abbey yet? Mist and snow join the elements!
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June 16 2011, 06:20:01 UTC 6 years ago Edited: June 16 2011, 06:20:27 UTC
I've occasionally done the "buy one for me and one for a friend or two", but that's different, as I'm not trying to make a profit. And, we're talking stuff that's either not in short supply ("Pamela should get into the Toby books, so I'll pick up an extra") or not in huge demand ("Wow, only six bucks for this thing I know is good? It's still here? Okay, I'll find someone who wants it.")
What I've found really annoying: There are, or were (it's been a while since I checked), some really good semi-annual library book sales in NYC. One weekend long event starts with prices reasonable and drops them as the weekend progresses. And we're talking a huge room full of books.
We're also talking a lot of people wanting to buy these books, so the staff only lets a limited number of people in at a time (fire safety regs). So far, so normal.
People line up for hours before the sale begins. Specifically, used book dealers do this, go in, grab the stuff they think is most likely to be in demand -- grab bags and bags of it -- and sell it at a large mark up.
I get that this is different than "I'm going to buy up rare dolls so no one else can get them and then mark up the prices" and way different than selling future dolls-to-be-acquired. I get that it is legit for used book dealers to attend book sales. This, after all, is their business, acquiring and selling books. Heck, they may be able to make some people very happy by placing some of these books in their hands, people who'd never think of going to the library sale. But, it still annoys me.
June 16 2011, 14:38:54 UTC 6 years ago
That sort of thing at book sales bugs me, too. When I was a kid, situations like that were pretty much how I got most of my library, and having the booksellers clean them out would have crushed me.
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People with a lot of money buy up limited edition or trendy prints and hoard them so they can sell them later, or they decide to sell a popular dress for more than twice what it was originally worth even though it's been worn (or maybe it hasn't been worn but it's been hanging in the closet for two years acquiring pet fur)...and they're the ones who are always all over new releases immediately, so no one else even gets a chance. It's especially irritating because you KNOW not much, if any, of the money is going back to the designer you love so much in the first place. Things like that are so frustrating...especially when they tell you the mark-up is so they at least get back what they paid! If people are that worried about money, they shouldn't be snatching up 10 copies of the same thing and hoping someone is desperate enough to buy it back from them.
June 17 2011, 14:20:47 UTC 6 years ago
Yes.