Seanan McGuire (seanan_mcguire) wrote,
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DEADLINE open thread. Have a party.

To celebrate the release of Deadline [Amazon]|[Mysterious Galaxy], here. Have an open thread to discuss the book.

THERE WILL BE SPOILERS.

Seriously. If anyone comments here at all, THERE WILL BE SPOILERS. So please don't read and then yell at me because you encountered spoilers. You were warned.

You can also start a book discussion at my website forums, with less need to be concerned that I will see everything you say! In case you wanted, you know, discussion free of authorial influence. I will probably answer a great many comments. I may not answer all of them.

Have fun!
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sheistheweather

June 1 2011, 16:06:18 UTC 6 years ago

I'm just going to say that I am rereading FEED (85% complete) and then I will read DEADLINE. I'm so excited!

Georgia's death was just as hard to read the second time.

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shiyiya

June 1 2011, 16:12:31 UTC 6 years ago

I just got my copy of Deadline! But I'm rereading FEED first, so my memory is nice and fresh on prior events. (I had JUST gotten to the big reveal on the ranch and my dad made me go water the yard and put away the dishes. ARGH.)

seanan_mcguire

June 1 2011, 16:39:09 UTC 6 years ago

Whoops!

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yond_cassius

June 1 2011, 16:23:04 UTC 6 years ago

I got my copy yesterday, and read it twice in one day. Things to say:

Oh god, I thought the worst possible thing had happened with Georgia's death. Discovering she would have got better? So, so much worse. Also, the ethical discussions.

I really liked the slow reveal about Georgia and Shaun's relationship during the thing with Becks.

Also, I feel the need to say how much I like all the reporting/blogging geekery in the books. I am the son of two reporters/former reporters and my dad still works in the field. I wanted to give him Feed to read when I finished it, and now I want to give him these books even more

seanan_mcguire

June 1 2011, 16:39:18 UTC 6 years ago

Awesome!

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leighblack

June 1 2011, 16:31:35 UTC 6 years ago

So...why the incest exactly? I really really loved how close Shaun and Georgia were and how they watched out for each other. And now I just have an icky feeling about the whole thing.

I still enjoyed Deadline and can't wait for the next book, but it really put a damper on how much I loved the book.

seanan_mcguire

June 1 2011, 17:01:09 UTC 6 years ago

That's a complicated question, and part of why I sort of winced every time someone commented on how nice it was that Shaun and Georgia didn't need romantic interests. It's not that they didn't need them; it's that George was a very private person, and that wasn't the sort of thing she would share in a first-person narrative.

The short answer is "because they told me it was there." I actually tried to argue them out of it, and just kept getting contradicted by the fictional people. "It's icky." "We're not related." "It's inappropriate." "This isn't YA." "It's unnecessary." "No, it's not. Here are eight reasons why." "You were raised as brother and sister." "We were raised as props for photo opportunities."

So basically...it was there because it was there. I'm sorry it made you uncomfortable.

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stormerider

June 1 2011, 16:48:16 UTC 6 years ago

Looking forward to this. Haven't read FEED yet; I figure I'll grab that and DEADLINE at the same time and zoom through them both.

seanan_mcguire

June 1 2011, 17:01:20 UTC 6 years ago

Awesome!

kyburg

June 1 2011, 16:48:35 UTC 6 years ago

People keep talking about 'thirty years of AIDS' this week. And I've been enjoying the lead-in snippets (thanks) - so with both of those vying in my headspace for attention, you can well imagine the outcome.

Can't wait for my copy to get here. (*shakes fist at Amazon*) Want to see what you did with this.

KA is soooo much faster than HIV. Or...is it?

(God, this is so not about the zombies. *happy bounces*)

seanan_mcguire

June 1 2011, 17:03:34 UTC 6 years ago

Hee.

beable

June 1 2011, 16:50:24 UTC 6 years ago


Just got Deadline, haven't read yet.

But anyways based on Feed and posts, I have been thinking about the many hobbies this week that I take for granted as people doing that wouldn't be common hobbies anymore in a post zombie apocalypse world.

- orienteering
- hiking (unless well armed, licenced, and in appropriate sized groups)
- camping

Also realizing the currently medical problems or procedures would have a whole new level of danger. Getting a bee sting or paper cut would be so much more dangerous. Hell, just having hemorrhoids or something would be!
And surgery? Whether it be more minor things like cesaereans, or major things like heart/lung transplants?

seanan_mcguire

June 1 2011, 17:03:59 UTC 6 years ago

Yeah, medicine is a daredevil career again.

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iuliamentis

June 1 2011, 16:51:38 UTC 6 years ago

I got my copy of Deadline at WisCon (thank you again for signing it!) and it took a tremendous amount of willpower not to just hole up in my hotel room and read it straight through. *g* I finished it yesterday, and just sat for a while afterward, stunned. She would have gotten better. OH SHAUN. Just when I thought you couldn't break him any more. <3 <3 <3

I actually really liked how you developed Shaun and George's relationship. I found it hard to read it as incest, given how, from the very beginning, the Masons were "parents" to them in name only, and receiving confirmation of what I had suspected since the beginning of Feed was satisfying.

(Please tell me that the bulldogs will be okay. Maggie's security ninjas take care of them and spoil them with treats, right?)

seanan_mcguire

June 1 2011, 17:07:40 UTC 6 years ago

Exactly. They were never really related, and didn't have a "sibling relationship" as we would recognize it. Brother/sister was just the only label they had.

(They'll be fine.)

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snowishness

June 1 2011, 16:58:56 UTC 6 years ago

I finished this book 20 minutes ago and my only regret about rushing through it like that is that nobody I know who read Feed has read this.

I did loan my copy of Feed to my flatmate two weeks ago, because I talk about it pretty constantly.
Her: You make it sound so good, but is it upsetting?
Me: Very.
Her: I don't want to read it.
Me: Then don't.
Her: ...Okay, can I have it.

And then after she finished it she texted me "George is dead what the fuck this is terrible and so unfair WHY". I think you have a new fan.

And an older one in me, because getting back to the topic at hand, I loved Deadline. It was devastating in a different way, and the bit with George at the end felt like too much, but then I read the excerpt from the next one and I don't even know how I'm going to wait a year. Eagerly, I suspect, and with talking the ear off of anyone who'll listen about Feed and Deadline.

seanan_mcguire

June 1 2011, 17:08:02 UTC 6 years ago

Hee hee hee yay.

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katiebabs

June 1 2011, 17:20:44 UTC 6 years ago

only you can write clones and zombies in the same book!

Oh, and I have been not sleeping well at night since I read Deadline. Thanks for that.

seanan_mcguire

June 1 2011, 20:48:56 UTC 6 years ago

Very welcome.

greycoupon

June 1 2011, 17:24:29 UTC 6 years ago

When I realized I had to go to bed on page 150, (it was 3am) but I flipped to the last page to see if Shaun was still alive.

That's quite a cliffhanger there. Whoa boy.

Random question, are you a Battlestar Galactica fan?

seanan_mcguire

June 1 2011, 20:49:48 UTC 6 years ago

Nope. Why?

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lostwind

June 1 2011, 17:41:36 UTC 6 years ago

Over halfway through, LOVING it.
I bought my own copy so I didn't have to share with my husband.

I kinda suspected the George/Shaun relationship thing, but when it came out, it was more like, "Eww", then "Well wait", then "OK".
I think the Eww is because it's the perspective of them being "brother and sister", but it's not by blood (therefore, the OK).
I look at it more like stepkids that get together. If it can be done in Clueless, why not here?

I'm waiting for the next KA science twist. I doubt there'll ever be a cure, but I think something will change the way of life in 2041.

seanan_mcguire

June 1 2011, 20:50:10 UTC 6 years ago

The science is juuuuuuuust going to get stickier from here.

annotated_em

June 1 2011, 17:42:51 UTC 6 years ago

*handsflail* I zoomed through the book yesterday and am just biting my nails over that ending and the teaser for the next book, and cannot wait for Blackout. *flailflailflail*

And okay, it's probably because I zoomed through Feed and Deadline both and haven't reread, so I missed a lot of the subtle cues about the George/Shaun relationship until Shaun actually went and made it explicit, but whoa, awesome. Christ, no wonder the boy took it so hard.

*chews nails* Is it 2012 yet?

seanan_mcguire

June 1 2011, 20:50:20 UTC 6 years ago

Nope.

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sparrowpunk

June 1 2011, 18:30:30 UTC 6 years ago

I got it today, after pestering a couple of book shops... The one I got it from were kind enough to reassure me that I wasn't the only person getting visibly excited, and that there'd been a girl in yesterday who reacted just like I did. I can only speculate on whether she bounced off, though.

Anyway. Feed felt like it had more punch to me, because it was the introduction, I guess? The last bit, with Georgia sort of bugs me (how does it _work_?), and I can't figure out how Shaun was immune, beyond an extremely half-baked theory about his intimate contact with Georgia and her reservoir condition being one of the keys to it, especially with the comment about it being necessary in Blackout... I wish I had someone in real life to speculate with, but I have to wait until I see my boyfriend next to hand Deadline over, and he's not only far busier but a far slower reader than me :(

seanan_mcguire

June 1 2011, 20:51:47 UTC 6 years ago

Contagious immunity actually happens in real life. It's a thing. It doesn't require sexual contact, but close physical contact over an extended period of time can transfer antibodies.

The thing with George will be explained. But yes, Shaun really did shoot the original in the head.

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wendyzski

June 1 2011, 18:43:43 UTC 6 years ago

I am on chapter 4 now, and have to keep reminding myself that it's just post-Marcon Con Crud and not viral amplification. I can tell because zombies don't sweat.

seanan_mcguire

June 1 2011, 20:51:58 UTC 6 years ago

Hee hee hee.

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madfilkentist

June 1 2011, 19:01:31 UTC 6 years ago

Up to page 73 so far.

I'll be reading on the train for the next few days. This is a bit dangerous, since I may be laughing out loud at some points and breaking down in tears at others, if it's anything like the first book -- and I don't usually do the latter.

Having a half-insane narrator makes this a very different book from Feed.

seanan_mcguire

June 1 2011, 20:52:24 UTC 6 years ago

True!

anthimerian

June 1 2011, 19:38:30 UTC 6 years ago

Picked DEADLINE up yesterday, read it (eee! Yay!), commenced with squee. Shaun and George's relationship remains pretty much my favorite part of these books (and that I can say this after she's dead is awesome), though I am always gleeful over disease-related geekery. I definitely sobbed at "She would have gotten better" and Shaun's subsequent psychotic episode, and laughed hysterically at "There's no way our building is generating spontaneous zombies."

Anybody else have favorite lines? I wish I'd been jotting them down, with page numbers, as I read.

jennygriffee

June 1 2011, 20:01:01 UTC 6 years ago Edited:  June 1 2011, 20:03:04 UTC

I'm right with you on "she would have gotten better." That and the entire passage about India. And the breaking news reports near the end.

Personally, one of my favorite lines was the crack about getting cited for standing too close to a goat..... (eta: found it, page 45. Oh, Mahir.)

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jennygriffee

June 1 2011, 20:00:11 UTC 6 years ago

In brief here, because my lunch break is almost up -- I enjoyed Deadline so, so much. I got it yesterday, sat down with it and didn't come up for air until I was done. Holy crap, the ending... all of it, really....

And I think I want a DO NOT TAUNT THE OCTOPUS shirt.

kshandra

June 1 2011, 20:07:23 UTC 6 years ago

And I think I want a DO NOT TAUNT THE OCTOPUS shirt.

I'm calling dibs on sending one to PZ Myers.

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June 1 2011, 20:10:06 UTC 6 years ago

I thought Shaun's responses throughout the book rang very true. I was surprised that I wasn't shocked at their relationship - I guess you planted the foreshadowing cues very well, then!

DEADLINE moved slower in a narrative sense than FEED did, although that didn't stop me from tearing through it.

I think George is smarter than Shaun, who spends a bit of time flailing about. And how annoying that he has to go back to the same people for more tidbits.

I find myself thinking that even if Shaun were to reveal what he suspects, it would get "lost" in the news of the Southern storm and aftermath.

The big reveal at the end? Made me simultaneously overjoyed and furious. I cried so hard at the end of FEED over her, that bringing her back made me angry, like I'd been suckered - except I'm so damn glad she's alive. The teasers about cloning and ethics throughout were quite well done, in that you well-established the tech, and prohibitions, and willingness of the CDC to break their own rules if the experiment looked good enough, yet those last pages were such a surprise!

The memory transfer will be an interesting explanation, I am sure. I am eagerly awaiting BLACKOUT.

And I still totally think this series should be optioned to be movies.

seanan_mcguire

June 1 2011, 20:55:08 UTC 6 years ago

The anger response is something I was concerned about, but couldn't avoid risking. Because this was just how it had to go. I promise, the grief was justified and real; having a clone isn't the same as having the original back (as the poor girl will have to learn).

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June 1 2011, 20:27:25 UTC 6 years ago

Sorry to be redundant but while the human and political elements step to the front of my brain it takes a while for the science bits to make sense. So I wanted to be sure that I didn't have my facts wrong.

1. Every non-ampliphied lifeform in the world has K-A inside it's body.

2. Persons and things like Georgia and Joe the Mastiff, which have the K-A resovoirs, can potentially survive amplification since the resovoirs are a form of antibody.

3. So the CDC killed those with K-A resovoir conditions to prevent the potential for anti-viral immunity. To make sure the immunities didn't occur in non-resovoir patients new strains were continually and artifically inflicted on the population.


If that happens would the resovoirs be retained or absorbed and dispersed throughout the body? (This is possibly unrelated or unimportant but I'm just curious.)

Shaun somehow never went through the amplification process for what it's worth do we know if the zombie strain from his attacker originated from the Cuban strain or the latent US strains?

If it's the US strain that speaks to so many fun unknowns concerning the bodies capability to adapt if it's the Cuban strain it is also interesting but I have no theory.

In the end none of this could matter in the slightest but it keeps poking around the inside of my head. A year is such a long time to wait, I can't wait for the audiobook so I can absorb Newsflesh while on the job.

seanan_mcguire

June 1 2011, 20:57:54 UTC 6 years ago

1. Yes.

2. Yes.

3. Yes.

4. No.

5. No.

Have fun!

wordswoman

June 1 2011, 20:37:02 UTC 6 years ago

I was only a little surprised (and not at all disturbed) at the revelation that George and Shaun had had a sexual relationship. Those two were each other's *universe*, and they were not related by blood. Emotionally there might be a whiff of incest, but biologically there's not a thing wrong with it.

I wondered about it in Feed, but since George never overtly copped to it, I considered the question still open. Not anymore, obviously. And I felt kind of glad that they'd had the chance to experience sexual love, even if much of society would raise eyebrows at who it was with (even though, again, NOT biologically incest, and the biological repercussions are the reason for the taboo to exist at all).

More startling, of course, is the big reveal at the end. I feel a little jerked around, having grieved so hard for her at the end of Feed. But I am happy for Shaun's sake that she's alive...or a duplicate of her is alive. Does that distinction matter? Will it to Shaun?

My working theory is that when George wakes up in CDC custody in Feed, they have already done some kind of neural recording of her and gathered whatever samples they needed to make the clone.

seanan_mcguire

June 1 2011, 20:59:30 UTC 6 years ago

I'm glad the foreshadowing worked.

Honestly, the fact that readers feel a little jerked around is kind of good, because it means that when the characters feel the same way, I won't get the "are you stupid they should welcome her with open arms IT'S WHAT I WANT" response. Cloning isn't perfect, and this isn't an exact copy, although she's close; she's not really who she thinks she is, because she can't be. So the question is whether she can manage to be good enough.

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June 1 2011, 22:17:57 UTC 6 years ago

I just want to ask a question, and I know it's kind of silly, but does anything bad happen to any cats in Deadline? I really liked Feed, but that bit was really upsetting for me.

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June 1 2011, 22:20:21 UTC 6 years ago

No cats, but I hope you don't have any particular attachment to deer.

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June 1 2011, 22:19:25 UTC 6 years ago

First off, reading the last few chapters after a weekend of working outdoors getting more mosquito bites than I can count was not the most brilliant thing I've ever done.

Second, I'm almost afraid for Shaun's already tenuous grip on sanity when cloneGeorge comes into the picture. I can imagine him not being able to seperate her from hallucinationGeorge until someone else sees her.

You do realize that all of your books end with me wanting to scoop up every single character for hugs and lots of chocolate? I love it.

seanan_mcguire

June 2 2011, 19:25:44 UTC 6 years ago

They NEED hugs and lots of chocolate.

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sleary

June 1 2011, 22:39:17 UTC 6 years ago

I loved spending time with the secondary characters we didn't get to see much in Feed. Mahir is love. How fucking awesome is Magdalene, calmly asking whether they need to bury Kelly out back?! And dammit, I liked Dave. Of course, I liked Dr. Wynne, too. Argh.

I knew someone was going to clone George as soon as Kelly mentioned cloning -- if researchers hadn't done it, Shaun would demand it as soon as the smoke cleared -- but I was expecting a blank-slate George, not one who remembers everything up to the gunshot. That revelation puts the "disposal" of Kelly's clone in a very different light.

I do wonder about Shaun's George-voice seemingly knowing things he doesn't, and clone-George's dreams, and the pack behavior of the infected... hmm.

What's Rick up to?

I loved how Feed was all about the effects of blogging on society, and a lot of Deadline has to do with the effects of all that openness on the bloggers. There's so much they have to hide while keeping up appearances, and so much happening that they don't WANT to talk about in front of a live audience.

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June 2 2011, 19:26:18 UTC 6 years ago

Maggie makes me happy. She's my wee violent Paris Hilton cognate.

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June 1 2011, 22:40:09 UTC 6 years ago

Finished my first read stupidly early this morning; now starting the second read. Still processing but:

I think I feel the sorriest for Dave. Getting abused by his boss, and Magdalene, and argh.

We didn't actually see Kelly die, right? (Things got slightly fuzzy near the end for me, owing to lack of sleep.) I wonder if she'll come back too. After all, she's already been cloned once.

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June 2 2011, 19:26:34 UTC 6 years ago

We see her shot with the needle, we don't see her die.

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