The Toby Daye books are getting gender neutral/male covers.
Picture a generic urban fantasy cover. The odds are good, unless you were thinking of the Dresden Files or the Simon Canderous books, that you pictured a woman in tight pants and a skimpy top, probably looking exotic and dangerous at the same time. She may or may not be holding a knife. If she is, it doesn't really look like it would do all that much damage when used to stab someone, although it might use all of its extra flourishes and points to get stuck on their clothing. Despite being in mortal peril, her hair is perfect, and her makeup is expertly applied. She may or may not bear any resemblance to the woman on the other side of that cover, but by the Great Pumpkin, she is Urban Fantasy Babe, and she will cut you with her richly saturated color palette.
(To be clear, I don't think there's anything wrong with these covers, and I'm sort of hoping to get one for Discount Armageddon, since Verity does wear impractical shoes, skimpy clothes, and makeup. Although she wouldn't be caught dead with a knife that couldn't be used to gut a rhino, should the need arise. She is a deeply practical impractical girl.)
Now picture an urban fantasy cover for a book with a male lead. Again, the odds are good that what you're seeing is a man dressed in dark clothing, against a moody, atmospheric background. There is no random lightning; nothing is inexplicably on fire; he's probably not wearing any makeup, and his hair may very well look like he forgot to brush it last Tuesday and hasn't remembered to catch up since. If he has weapons, they're practical ones. Ditto his shoes.
Now take a look at the five currently available Toby covers. In all five, she's wearing dark clothes, including a leather jacket that, while comfortable, doesn't exactly make her look like a bad-ass leather biker babe; more like a girl raiding her boyfriend's closet because it's cold outside. On three of the five, she's wearing jeans. On one, she's wearing a dress that leaves absolutely everything to the imagination, since it's basically full medieval formal gown. On another, she has no jeans because she has no legs, but does have a black top and, again, a leather jacket. In three of the five, she's visibly, and accurately, armed. There are no poses; there are no seductive looks; there's definitely no makeup. If you ignore the fact that Toby is female, they're the kind of covers that usually go on urban fantasies with male leads.
This could not delight me more.
Toby's covers are an accurate portrayal of what you're going to find between them. If she was posed more like our friend, Urban Fantasy Babe, people would be justified in getting annoyed when Toby didn't act like her. Instead, she's posed the way the men of urban fantasy are normally posed, and she acts a lot like them, too. There may be some people who don't pick up the books because they want something sexier, but I think the people who do pick them up get what they're expecting, and I think that helps, in the long run. Truth in advertising is fun!
Thoughts?
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April 21 2011, 01:49:59 UTC 6 years ago
April 20 2011, 16:14:37 UTC 6 years ago
Honestly, I couldn't describe the covers of the first four Toby books. I can only describe OSS's cover because it's the topic of discussion and you included a pic. I can, however, tell you the major story beats from each story, background details about most of the major characters, and could name a favorite minor character if asked. I can also say that the covers didn't mislead me as a reader. Is this win? I think this is win.
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What I like about the Toby covers is that they strike a good balance. They're not going to appeal to someone who wants a "fluffier" read, but those folks probably wouldn't like what's inside either. But if you want something hard-boiled, these covers will draw your eye, *and* you'll not be disappointed at the story inside.
April 20 2011, 23:08:59 UTC 6 years ago
This is very true, and I felt that the covers represented the books accurately. ("Toby does her own laundry" said the voice in my head, and whether that's totally true or not, one knows from the covers that she does have to deal with laundry and dishes -- not everything is magickally whisked away.)
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April 20 2011, 16:32:26 UTC 6 years ago Edited: April 20 2011, 16:32:58 UTC
But I like the Toby covers cos the girl on the front is pretty close to my head!Toby. Which as you say is pretty damned rare.
(Even if my head!Toby is currently kinda sorta played by Allison Scagliotti.)
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April 20 2011, 17:24:43 UTC 6 years ago
That's most probably why in my mind I actually do relate the cover pictures to the story, to Toby.
I know with many other books, I don't. They may or may not have good covers and it doesn't mean that I don't like the type of the cover, but mostly I have a different picture of the character in my mind.
Interesting!
April 21 2011, 17:13:36 UTC 6 years ago
It's neat, and a little odd.
April 20 2011, 17:24:47 UTC 6 years ago
It's true that the cover for "One Salt Sea" departs from the previous covers, but I see it more as progression. Toby is changing, and the covers might reflect that?
April 21 2011, 17:14:03 UTC 6 years ago
I definitely see the cover for One Salt Sea as a progression, and a positive one.
April 20 2011, 17:25:36 UTC 6 years ago
Now I have cool crossover story wishes in my head. Spike and Mouse and Mister and ... oh, darn, I forget the names of Toby's actual factual cats.
April 20 2011, 17:44:02 UTC 6 years ago
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April 20 2011, 17:30:00 UTC 6 years ago
The "Look at me! I am the HAWTness! See my trampstamp!?!" vs. the Toby cover's "Oh holy shit, this is going to get rough, isn't it?" is something I like.
It's the difference between "this is the artists vision of the character" vs "this is fap material".
McGrath needs to be given more work IMNHSO.
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April 20 2011, 17:47:41 UTC 6 years ago
Since you asked, I'll confess I never really saw the covers the way you described them. I have a mental picture of what Toby looks like, which is nothing like any of the covers, and probably not what you had in mind either. And it's the same with just about every book I read that has a picture of characters on the cover; I usually ignore it and just enjoy a trip win which the author's imagination gets filtered through mine.
The pictures of Toby are all unmistakably female, and so I never thought of them as gender-neutral for a second.
I did, however, respond much more positively to the second two covers than to the first two. It seemed to me, the Toby on R&R and LH looks like a rather shabby goth girl who has done something to her ears. She doesn't look supernatural, nor like she gives a rip about anything much less that she'd take on someone else's problem because it was the right thing to do.
The Tobys on AAN and LE, it seems to me, are definitely faerie. They're colorful in a way that communicates glamour. And I LOVE the way LE Toby has her leather jacket on over the dress. That just seems so in character with the Toby I envision.
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April 20 2011, 17:50:04 UTC 6 years ago
I LOVE that you're getting "boy" covers, and I really hope that your and Toby's success leads to a general trend in more useful cover content coding! Because, you know, I like Toby, and I like Verity, but they're different, and it would really be a good thing if cover art consistently clued readers in.
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The other one that drives me nots are the Patricia Briggs covers--mostly because I'm pretty sure that Mercy is not nearly that trampy, tattooed or curvy. In fact, I'm pretty sure she only has one tattoo.
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April 20 2011, 18:28:56 UTC 6 years ago
Every year we ask our summer intern to do a survey of cover art elements for the top US fantasy novels published in the previous year. You can find more of our findings on the Chart of Fantasy Art, the Changing Fashion of Urban Fantasy Heroines, and Color Trends in Dragons. Today we look at book titles —both what the titles say AND how they look. Read the rest of this entry »
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April 22 2011, 19:31:41 UTC 6 years ago
April 20 2011, 18:56:20 UTC 6 years ago
Getting the books on Amazon is interesting though, because we get to see the European versions too. The German covers are of a headshot of a perfectly made-up supermodel, not something I imagined Toby as being, different models I think too.
That said, I don't buy many books in an actual bookshop these days, it's bad of me I know, but Amazon and recommendations from the internet is working really well for me these days. I found you and Toby when Cat Valente gave you a namecheck on the Geek's Guide to the Galaxy podcast. So the cover artwork isn't something I bother about a lot.
April 20 2011, 19:07:15 UTC 6 years ago
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/imag
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Murder-Must-Adv
I also waited for international shipping of hardcover "adult" versions of the last few HP novels. ;)
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April 20 2011, 18:58:42 UTC 6 years ago
*eyeroll*
Yeah, this cover trope is one of my biggest pet peeves about the genre. I can't STAND it. I'm not much fonder of the "shadowy male in black and leather with big lightning bolts" covers, but I really can't stand the stupid "sexy chick with tats and massive impractical weapon" covers.
I'm glad Toby escaped the latter. Bless your cover designer(s) and your publisher.
April 26 2011, 15:51:02 UTC 6 years ago
Literally, since I have the covers framed in my living room, where they constantly remind me of how awesome they are.
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April 26 2011, 15:50:28 UTC 6 years ago
Tell him I totally vote swordfights.
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