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13 things about San Francisco.

We are now thirteen days from the release of Late Eclipses [Amazon]|[Mysterious Galaxy], and to celebrate, here are thirteen things about San Francisco!

13. Yes, parking is as difficult to find as I make it out to be in the Toby books. In fact, it's usually slightly worse; because Toby has magic (and narrative flow), she usually manages to find street parking after only a paragraph or two of driving around. The rest of us usually wind up paying for our parking. Lucky Toby.

12. In areas like Valencia, you can walk for miles without seeing a Starbucks, although you will encounter dozens of small, independent coffee shops and cafes. In areas like North Beach and the Financial District, you can find a Starbucks every two blocks. It's like the city has a median average to maintain, and has decided to dump them all in the same place.

11. Many San Francisco natives rarely, if ever, visit the rest of the Bay Area, and are surprised when interesting things happen in the East Bay. (Not 100% true, but definitely supported by my personal experience.)

10. San Francisco is a city which never met a hill it didn't think "hey, I could put houses there, and people will totally figure out how to park at an eighty-seven degree angle." And because parking is at such a premium, people do.

9. It may be apocryphal that Mark Twain once said the coldest summer he ever spent was in San Francisco, but there's a reason so many people believe it. Thanks to the marine layer, we often have heat waves in December, and cold snaps in July.

8. Despite the hills and the messed-up weather, we still have joggers. Joggers are insane.

7. San Francisco's pigeon population is fairly epic, and most of them are pretty healthy, because there's so much food dropped by the tourist trade. Also, they eat their own sick. It's disturbing and fascinating, like an avian recreation of The Lottery.

6. Cable cars, not really worth it. No, seriously. They're not.

5. Ghirardeli Square sells a sundae called "The Earthquake" which costs around twenty dollars and needs at least five people to eat it. It's a towering monument to gluttony, and all visitors to our fair city should treat it as a mandatory undertaking. Unless you're lactose intolerant or diabetic.

4. San Francisco proper covers a span of 46.7 square miles. That's why we have South San Francisco, San Bruno, and Colma. Because otherwise, we'd run out of space really, really fast.

3. A team of fae without human disguises on could probably run the Bay to Breakers without anyone saying anything but "cool costumes, man."

2. The Ferry Building Farmer's Market is one of the best in the state. It's huge, diverse, and a little bit scary, since who really needs an heirloom tomato the size of a human head? Me, that's who. Now gimme.

1. I do an incredible amount of geographic research when introducing a new location in the Toby books. Half of it gets thrown out the window in the interests of not turning into a guidebook, but I do it. And this city is really weird. That's what makes it so great.
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Neat!
3. A team of fae without human disguises on could probably run the Bay to Breakers without anyone saying anything but "cool costumes, man."


I like that. And from the few times I've been to SF, I definitely believe it!
They could do the Solstice Parade in Seattle, too!

seanan_mcguire

6 years ago

Cable cars are FAB! I LURV 'em, really truly. 'Specially when we were going up the (luckily not uber steep at the time) hill and the cable slipped out/off/away and we started going back the other direction and the driver guy had to jam on the big emergency brake thingie w/all his (luckily quite sizable) weight and strength...really good squealing (both from the mechanics and the passengers). I'll always treasure this memory...but for some reason haven't actually taken one in years now...
Okay, that's kinda awesome.
11. One of my friends would like a shirt he saw that said, "I'm not a bad friend. You just live in the East Bay."
Only if I can have a shirt that says "No, actually, you're a bad friend."

phoenixrave

6 years ago

lots42

6 years ago

phoenixrave

6 years ago

This is quite possibly the most well-timed post you could have made, because you are the only SFian (take it both ways!) on my f-list and I was working up the courage to ask you what I should check out when I visit in May.

Also, that Earthquake? SO getting eaten.
Last time I was there, I insisted on being taken to the Japanese Tea Gardens in Golden Gate Park, so I could climb the Moon Bridge and just generally look around Lily's domain. :) The Moon Bridge is something else. Smaller than I expected, but still amazing.

Didn't get into the knowe, alas. I waved at the koi, though.

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6 years ago

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seanan_mcguire

6 years ago

When I was growing up, the legendary ice-cream institution here in Portland (and later around the country) was Farrell's, home of the Portland Zoo (a sundae so enormous it took two strong servers to deliver it -- after racing up and down the rows of tables while bells and a siren sounded). An approximate description: "FOUR flavors of our famous ice cream. THREE fruit flavor sherbets, FOUR delicious toppings, whipped cream, cherries, almonds, pecans, and bananas."

Unfortunately, the chain imploded after Marriott bought it, and the one surviving outlet in Portland (finagled back into private ownership under another name) closed a decade ago. In recent years a couple of reborn Farrell's Ice Cream Parlours have turned up in California, with another two in Hawaii and rumors of a Portland comeback, but as yet no Portland rebirth has materialized. If and when it does, however, I'll be among its early visitors....
Ohhh, Farrell's! I didn't know they originated down there! We used to go all the time up here. When I was a little tiny thing, the bells and sirens used to frighten me something *awful*, even though I loved the place. I was glad we were always there for someone *else's* birthday, not mine.

djonn

6 years ago

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djonn

6 years ago

I went to art school for a while in San Francisco. Before I got there it was decided that I wouldn't be getting a car, which to my Iowa blood felt like a step backward. Until I got out there and went "oh, I really DON'T need a car for most things. I'm horrible at parallel half-turned-over parking." :D
Wise decision.
I am enjoying this series.
me too.

seanan_mcguire

6 years ago

linenoise

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seanan_mcguire

6 years ago

When I visited Sf for a week in April 2 years back, it was wonderful steady & warm weather for the entire week; go figure...
The thing that did surprise me was the small group of people swimming in wetsuits. The wetsuit makes sense, the water is *cold*. It does show a certain commitment to get a wetsuit in order to go swimming though. :)

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science_vixen

6 years ago

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science_vixen

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seanan_mcguire

6 years ago

I understand you can't cling onto the outside of the cable cars while they're in motion any longer. That used to be the Man in the Gray Flannel Suit's preferred style of commuting, while the Ladies sat inside. (My mother and I were Ladies, or tried to be. We sat inside.)
Sad but true.

oreouk

6 years ago

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Are you sure? Because I work in North Beach, and there's a Starbucks across the street. There's also one on the other side of the street, flanking my office.

sassy

6 years ago

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seanan_mcguire

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seanan_mcguire

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seanan_mcguire

6 years ago

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i was in san francisco 36 hours in 1998. i want to go back so bad!!
We like it here.

mariadkins

6 years ago

The hills! Oh God, the hills!

I'm actually visiting in June. Well, Palo-Alto, which is closeish.
Despite being only 40-ish miles away, it's a whole different world.

kippurbird

6 years ago

seanan_mcguire

6 years ago

The marquis and I once went to SF in August, and it rained. (We assumed that the UK weather had followed us.)
And, of course, you have parakeets to go with your pigeons.
True. And they peep at you!
Fun!

Plus San Francisco had His Imperial Majesty Emperor Norton I, which is the coolest thing EVAR. OK, so we had Emperors and an Empress in Europe as well but ours were just born that way, Joshua Norton empiricised himself and was accepted which makes SF so cool because he was able to do that. Like G.K.Chesterton's story "The Napoleon of Notting Hill" but yours was real.
Supposedly, the Emperor stopped people from literally killing each other just by showing up and being awesome.

seanan_mcguire

6 years ago

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Yay!
I want to visit so much! We picked up one of my partner's Uni friends, who moved over there last year from the airport last Saturday and had lunch with us. He kept saying 'when're you going to visit' and telling us to move over. I avoided stabbing him.

It is pretty much the top choice city for if we went and lived in the US (on the understanding we would do this only if Andrew could get a job that provided us with very secure health insurance and stuff (or I got such a job, but he's a programmer and I have no marketable skills).

I am rambly today. I traditionally use the amazon vouchers I get from doing surveys to pay for your Toby books books and I am due one soon, so I can preorder! Feed, I went and bought in person and did the OMG! Seanan available in UK bookshops squee. And I always check if theres a copy around if I go into a bookshop.
I am proud of you for not stabbing.
Oooh, memory lane. I used to be a more regular visitor and had hoped to live in the area:/ I was there for a week when I did Ladyfest in 2004.

I am still stunned by the awesomeness of the burrito place I was in around Valencia. It was like the Platonic form of burrito, with watermelon agua fresca. (Yes, I have been reduced to tears by the lack of good Mexican (or Mexican hybrid) food in this area-literally.) I also love the Indian ice cream place I found and Borderlands Books. And Zeitgeist!

I also remember being all excited about seeing the real live Lusty Lady, trying on latex dresses at Madame S and having a drink nearby in the bar with the booth for lady psychiatrists, plus being in the Castro for Pink Saturday and hearing THE BEST MOTORCYCLE VROOOMS EVER.

So yes, SF is pretty wonderful. I concur.
I love Valencia so much, for many of the reasons you have just cited.

azurelunatic

6 years ago

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I have thought about it, but it's not good for this series. Maybe when I get to doing the modern-day stuff in Mina Norton's setting.
It is especially challenging to parallel park on those steep hills if you have a manual transmission.
Bill Cosby's "Driving in San Francisco" from 1965 does an excellent job of telling it like it is :-)

seanan_mcguire

6 years ago

I need to do one of these for Los Angeles (and probably points east, just for spice) but - this is all true, I can vouch for it.

I'm just trying to remember how old I might have been the first time. See, my long-distance love affair with this place is nearly lifelong, due to the artist uncle who lived in Stockton (and took us to the city every time we visited, which was at least once a year) - gosh, easily since I was 7, he passed when I was 19 but by then had saved my sanity more than once before then. There were summers when Sis and I spent weeks and weeks with him and my aunt from BAHSTUN, who literally treated us like treasures from the Fates themselves.

And then we went home and became children of a single parent of four again.

Then the older brother, while he was in the Coast Guard, got posted at the base in Petaluma. More visits. More trips into San Francisco, and I can remember visiting the Planetarium/Exploratorium and seeing the show they did on the night sky as it would have looked in 1776 - in 1976. We then went into Chinatown to buy my then 1.5 year old niece pajamas. Older brother can do a dead-on Bill Cosby, and Lombard Street was a MUST. I remember walking through streets seeing street performers taking potshots at President Nixon and being deliciously scandalized about it.

Mom never took us into Los Angeles, but we spent a ton of time in San Francisco. ^^

About the only thing I would add is that San Francisco is hands down, accept no substitutes, the most amazingly beautiful city. From any angle. Even in the worst parts of town, all you have to do it look up and there you go.

And the sourdough bread really IS specific to the region. Trust me on this.
Query: Are the traffic lights on 19th Avenue still set so that if you time it right you can go from Daly City to The Presidio without stopping on red? I know that when I was making that run it was supposed to be set for a flat 30 mph, but, depending on the section you were on it ranged from 27 to 32 mph and heaven help the idjit that screwed with your timing.

On #13 (and #10) - learning to drive a stick and park in SF is a surrealistic experience, but I aced the driving test after.

Since I lived on The Peninsula (Burlingame, San Mateo, SSF, Cupertino (Monte Vista), San Jose), but had relatives (Aunt and uncle living on the straight part of Lombard), and my mother was often in Letterman for pneumonia, I spent a lot of time in The City. Also having a BIL who was Chinese (and whose father was once in one of the Tongs), I managed to get into many of the non-touristy parts of Chinatown (nothing like attending the matriarch's b'day in the back room of a restaurant and being the only haoli's present).

I am the only person I know who lived in The Bay Area for over 30 years and never made it to Coit Tower. I hang my head in shame over that. But I am also the only person I know who would drive through the Tenderloin in the dead of night in a Mustang convertible and not fear for my life at a red light. I think those that lived there got used to seeing me at strange hours (due to the excessive amount of time I spent at Letterman) and decided I wasn't worth the hassle.

Yeah, I sometimes miss living there.

I've lived in the bay area since 1975 and I've never seen Coit Tower either.

seanan_mcguire

6 years ago

Great list!
I live in the South Bay, and driving into SF from time to time is always an interesting experience. I've had lovely weird things happen and creepy weird things happen. It would be very cool to move into the city for a while and soak in more of that experience.
I would go mad. I like my suburb.
I must admit, some of the parking I have seen in real life could only have been accomplished with magic.
I would totally believe it.
Thirteen Days!!!

That's so soon.
I know!

I flail.
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