On Sunday at Arisia, I was on a panel called "Fanfic As Writer's Workshop," for discussion of how the skills and techniques learned from writing fanfiction can be applied to writing original fiction. (Yes, Virginia, you can learn how to write by writing fanfic. But that is another post for another day.) I was, at the time, incredibly sick, due to exposure to mango (which I am highly allergic to), but I was determined to soldier through. It's probably a good thing that I was as sick as I was, since it prevented my becoming annoyed enough to shout. See? Vomiting has value!
The panel consisted entirely of women (myself, three other writers, and Diana). The room, while small, was quite well-filled, with a nice mix of people who wanted to discuss learning about writing through, well, actually writing. And, in the front row, was That Guy. He was fairly large; fairly unkempt; had not brushed his hair; appeared to be wearing basic black for its stain-concealing properties, rather than out of any goth sympathies; and was, when first sighted, vigorously picking at his teeth.
Please don't be That Guy, part one: If you're sitting in the front row of a panel, in full view of the panelists, please don't pick your teeth. If you must pick your teeth, please use a toothpick, or something, rather than using your fingers. We'd really rather not watch.
The panel began with enthusiasm, as each panelist explained their views on our topic, and we began taking questions from the attendees. That Guy stopped picking his teeth, which was a mercy, and began, instead, picking his ear. With the same finger.
Please don't be That Guy, part two: Sometimes we have itches. I get that. I, too, am an itchy person. But if you're sitting in the front row of a panel, and have already been seen to be picking your teeth, please do not stick the same finger in your ear. It makes the panelists very uncomfortable.
More questions from the audience. This is the point at which That Guy began truly interacting. "How do I get more readers for my fanfic?" he asked. "I wrote an alternate universe [SHOW] [SEASON], where instead of [MAN] killing [WOMAN], he rapes her."
Cue horrified silence. The fanfic community is largely female, for better or for worse, and that sort of statement is rarely going to go over well in mixed company. Diana, who was by that point far more diplomatic than I, tried pointing this out, along with the note that maybe, if he wanted people to trust him writing about rape, he needed to get them to trust him writing about other things, first. He countered with the fact that he had received good feedback from women. We moved on as quickly as possible.
Later in the panel, the topic of porn came up. Porn is, after all, the stereotypical reason people write fanfic, and that's not entirely a bad thing. So all of these women are now saying the word "porn," with varying degrees of enthusiasm.
Please don't be That Guy, part three: If you think there is ANY CHANCE that you might become visibly aroused by live women saying the word "porn," please DO NOT sit in the front row at a panel on fanfiction. They're going to say it, and what's going to happen is going to happen, and then I'm going to have to fight the urge to eject you from the room.
That Guy attempted to drag the panel back to a recounting of the plot of his fanfic several times, to the point where I actually asked him "How is this relevant?" (If you've ever been on a panel with me, or attended a panel with me, you'll know that I'm not opposed to topic drift, so long as it remains interesting and vaguely tangential. If I'm the one shutting you down, it's because you're so far off topic that you're no longer even in the topic's time zone.)
So please. This is a plea for everyone, male and female, who attends conventions and goes to panels: Please don't be That Guy. Don't sit to take up three chairs, sticking fingers in your facial orifices, and try to engage women in discussions on how rape in literature is awesome and not inappropriate in the least. Don't look offended when the panelists don't want to hand the panel to you, so that you can tell us about your magnum opus and why we all need to read it. And please, please, don't be creepy. For the rest of the weekend, if I saw That Guy, I moved to another elevator.
Let's play nicely with the other fans, and only creep them out with their permission, okay? I've done my best to be general here, but this one specific incident really drove home why this is something that needs to be said. No one was touched, cornered, or specifically harassed, but I had three people who attended that panel tell me how uncomfortable That Guy made them. Beyond that, I know how uncomfortable he made me.
I'm just saying.
ETA: Because this has come up twice, and is hence distracting: "please don't take up three chairs" does NOT mean "please don't be fat at a panel." You may be as fat as you do or do not wish to be, and as long as you're happy and healthy, I'm happy for you. But as I say on a regular basis, your backpack does not deserve a chair of its own. Neither does your leg, unless you are injured and require elevation. Neither does your arm. And if you're taking a chair each for your leg, torso, and arm, you have perhaps crossed a line.
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January 21 2011, 16:16:56 UTC 6 years ago Edited: January 21 2011, 16:17:49 UTC
Thanks for this post.
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January 21 2011, 16:28:55 UTC 6 years ago
I once experienced something similar during a filk circle. That Guy was sitting next to me... scratching himself all the time the circle lasted. From the very beginning until I went to bed at about four in the morning. Not because I was so very tired, but because I could not stand that scratching anymore (and I was really disgusted by the fact that he examined his fingernails after a time of scratching...eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwww)
January 21 2011, 17:34:49 UTC 6 years ago
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January 21 2011, 16:56:54 UTC 6 years ago
I'm all for the audience sharing info (god knows, I come away from a lot of costuming panels I've moderated knowing something new) but there's always That Person who seems to think this is their big shot at taking center stage. Or something.
(this goes double for self-appointed experts who are WRONG)
January 21 2011, 17:12:00 UTC 6 years ago
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I am going to go out on limb & suggest that this is excellent advice for persons participating in crit groups as well, particularly the kind of open-enrollment groups sponsored by bookstores & suchlike. In fact, I'd go so far as to suggest that rape, explicit material of any flavor and, oh yeah, child porn needs to be handled on a prior-consent-and-maybe-not-even-then-ba
::headdesk::
I recently had to boot That Guy out of my RL writing group for electing to read a scene from the last category to the group. As I said to the president of the broader organization, a) no; and b)no.
Ugh.
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January 21 2011, 17:02:21 UTC 6 years ago
that aside, guess I better drop fifty pound before I go to sit in on a panel. I wouldn't want to take up three chairs :P
January 21 2011, 17:32:18 UTC 6 years ago
This falls into the category of "your backpack does not deserve its own seat in the crowded room."
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January 21 2011, 17:05:10 UTC 6 years ago
*shudder*
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I was, however, pleased to see the panelists shut him down. I've seen panels where someone like that is allowed to take over the discussion, it's not pretty.
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"YOU ARE NOT THE INVISIBLE MAN." he yelled. "I am NOT BLIND. TRY TO BEHAVE LIKE AN ADULT AND NOT A PRE-SCHOOLER!" I believe he may have hopped. It was very, very funny.
This was apparently better than what he used to do, which was throw the whiteboard eraser at people. The college attorneys told him that was a no-no. I asked him about it once, and he gave me this complicated theory about the contract between professor and student and New Hampshire's lack of repealing corporal punishment (he was a very fine litigator before he was a professor).
It was hilarious. I miss that man.
January 21 2011, 17:16:11 UTC 6 years ago
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January 21 2011, 17:17:40 UTC 6 years ago
And even beyond being That Guy in terms of social norms and behavioural appropriateness and hygiene issues...dude. This panel is not for you to recap your "great literatuuuuuuure." No. No, no, no. Save it for the next schmuck you corner on the elevator. At least then, they can mace you.
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January 21 2011, 17:25:07 UTC 6 years ago
Thank you for the shut-down on him!
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January 21 2011, 17:50:31 UTC 6 years ago
And I became a little ill at Please don't be That Guy, part three: If you think there is ANY CHANCE that you might become visibly aroused by live women saying the word "porn," please DO NOT sit in the front row at a panel on fanfiction. They're going to say it, and what's going to happen is going to happen, and then I'm going to have to fight the urge to eject you from the room.
I now have visions of this man going back to an abandoned home in rural Wisconsin, where he steals WiFi from the neighbors and wears the skins of his victims while writing fanfic.... o_0
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January 21 2011, 17:51:03 UTC 6 years ago
In addition to the Ew, I'd like to snark that I'm surprised it was big enough to notice.
I'll go back to ewwing now.
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This goes in general. We want to know, even if the incident does not seem actionable by itself, because we may have other information.
January 21 2011, 18:08:38 UTC 6 years ago
The other inappropriate behavior is certainly relevant, and I would generally support reminding people about. But I would urge people to report, given that quote above, as palmwiz is suggesting.
It is very likely this is not isolated behavior.
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January 21 2011, 17:54:23 UTC 6 years ago
Great episode.
Horrible attendee.
I have come to accept that encountering creepy socially maladjusted folks are the price we have to pay for finding a place full of geeks that don't make us feel like the weirdest people in the room. By most standards, everyone at a Con is socially maladjusted, but it's just so strange to note how many people are socially maladjusted by the standards of Con.
Now if it was a fan fic story about Porky raping Elmer Fudd - well it'd be a George Carlin steal.
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