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A few quick points...

So the discussion on my latest book piracy post is fascinating, and I fully intend to answer comments. However, right now, I'm not feeling terribly awesome, so I'm going to take some cold medication and go lay down. I just wanted to address a few high-level points first. Forgive the brevity, I really feel like crap.

Point the First: "Not everyone who illegally downloads your book would have bought it, so you shouldn't act like they would have."

True! That being said, I know enough people who have illegally downloaded books and then bought them, or have told me to my face (or via email) that they were planning to buy the book, only then got it for free, that I feel some consideration of the number of illegal copies is warranted. Just going off what I do know, I tend to assume about one person in ten represents a "lost sale." This accounts for new readers only, not people downloading copies of books they already own.

Point the Second: Downloading copies of books you already own is a morally gray area.

True. I completely understand and sympathize with people who download virtual copies of books they already own. Unfortunately, a) I don't own the e-book rights to my books right now, and thus can't say "sure, have a PDF with proof of purchase," and b) the methods for getting those downloads are non-legal. There's not a private literary speakeasy where you have to send in a photo of yourself with your legal physical copy before you get the download link. And so while I can understand the moral ambiguity of it all, I can't endorse the practice.

Point the Third: It's not piracy, it's copyright infringement.

Okay, true. For precision of language, I should call it copyright infringement. But the people who sometimes post intentionally inflammatory things on message boards aren't actually trolls, they're just being mean. In some cases, the prevailing language of the land is going to win out over precision. I apologize for any confusion.

Point the Fourth: "Does this mean you don't like me because I initially read your book in a sub-legal format?"

Did you buy the book? I mean, really, that's where my concern is here: In whether I can feed the cats. I first discovered the X-Men because my friend Lucy had an older brother who wasn't careful with his comics, and I didn't pay for those, either. As I said above, I can't condone illegal downloading, but once you've paid for the material, I lose all personal animosity.

Point the Fifth: Books and music aren't the same.

Most the research on illegal downloads has been in the music arena, and the numbers aren't the same. According to iTunes, the single song I have listened to the most often is the cover of "Livin' La Vida Loca" by Spork, which I have listened to 342 times. The single book I have read the most often is IT, by Stephen King, which I have read, if guessing generously, eighty times in the last twenty years. Many people don't re-read, or do so only sparingly. So saying that illegal downloads increase sales when you're only looking at music is like saying that breeding mice increases the elephant population.

Point the Sixth: Cory Doctorow does it.

Cory Doctorow is also recognized by my spellchecker, which doesn't recognize my name. He chose to distribute over the Internet, and it worked out awesomely for him. He's also doing Internet-savvy fiction, with a keen edge of interest for the online crowd. I write urban fantasies about women with silly names. We don't have the same target audience; it's mice and elephants again.

I'll come back and participate in the discussion more one on one later. Now? DayQuil and sleep.
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I tend to buy brand new dead tree editions of something after I have already had a substantial read through them. Not before. I can do that in a bookstore or I can do that via download. If I like it, I'll buy it, but I won't know whether or not I like it until I look it over. If it's available in download form, I'm more likely to get around to looking at it and deciding whether I want to buy.

One thing I would *not* do is illegally download your books and then fail to buy the dead tree editions if I liked what I saw and had the intent of actually reading them. But I might download them on the same principle as picking the physical books up and looking inside before I laid down money at a bookstore. I want to see what I'm getting. If I didn't like them, I wouldn't buy them. If I did, I would. What I've actually downloaded is a convenient method of making my shopping decision. I will hasten to add that I would also not further distribute copies if I did download them.

My think is if you released the first chapter or two as a free sample on the Internet, that would serve the purpose of people who want to look before they buy, and it might even discourage people from torrenting the full copies. For my purposes one chapter would work just as well to do the looking-before-buying thing.

How the heck did security get compromised on the electronic editions anyhow? Or did someone scan them in?

I happen to like books I can hold in my hand, but here's a thought. What if the people who were okay with reading a novel on their computer screen were asked to give you money directly if they had downloaded the book and liked it enough to keep?
I do actually release the first chapter or two, as soon as I can (and as soon as I can get it formatted, because that takes some work).

The issue with soliciting money from people who illegally downloaded circles back to my silly addiction to having a professional copyeditor. The publisher pays me; I don't pay the publisher. So if you pay me directly, the publisher goes out of business. Most of the people—by no means all, but most—producing professional-quality novel-length work are working at that level because they've worked with professionals. So the publishers remain a necessity.

I love my publishers. I want their lights to stay on.

The issue with soliciting money from people who illegally downloaded circles back to my silly addiction to having a professional copyeditor. The publisher pays me; I don't pay the publisher. So if you pay me directly, the publisher goes out of business. Most of the people—by no means all, but most—producing professional-quality novel-length work are working at that level because they've worked with professionals. So the publishers remain a necessity.

And if you are selling copies that you purchased from the publisher (I understand that authors get a discount), that means that your publisher has sold more copies too, correct? Why shouldn't they like you increasing their sales, especially when you are offering things that bookstores don't (your CD) on top as an added value.

Honey, I got a suggestion. There's another smart guy you should look up, and read. Mike Masnick has a website called TechDirt and he's got some fascinating ideas on how to 'Connect with your Fans' and 'Reap the Benefits'.

And heck, if your sales go up, your publisher is more likely to pick up on your next book, so you can buy more kitty toys for your co-writers.

BTW, my co-writer is a beagle, who is currently sleeping on top of the back cushion of the couch, keeping my neck warm.
"And if you are selling copies that you purchased from the publisher..."

When did that become part of, "What if the people who were okay with reading a novel on their computer screen were asked to give you money directly if they had downloaded the book and liked it enough to keep?" Nothing in that question suggests that Seanan would be sending the person in question a book.
She sure as hell would if they sent her a $100.00 wouldn't she? The question right now is exactly how we can make it inviting for people to send her $100.00 bills, lots of them, for special deals. Or maybe a $50.00 dollar bill would be more appropriate. Depends upon what sort of a special package we can help Seanan put together. Some of mechanics may take a bit of work. She says that any books she sells herself, the publisher doesn't count, so maybe she'd have to find a friendly local independent bookstore which was willing to give her a discount to get copies of the books.

Let's see.

Complete collection of all FOUR published books.

Copy of every song Seanan has ever recorded.

Seanan McGuire songbook (I've never heard her, but I'm told she's a songwriter).

Cat Hairs - look, I have cats, and it's impossible to keep the damned hairs out of things. I have dogs too, one of which is part husky. Our house is a hairy place :)

Personally signed pieces - I'm sure Seanan would be happy to write:
Rudy,
Love from
Seanan
to someone who'd just sent her lots of money in the mail. If she wouldn't, Alice would. Cats are very mercenary.

Maybe as a joke toss in a 34A bra, and say that Toby left it last time she slept over. Print Toby on it using indelible marker.

Now I'm just brainstorming. Problem is, that I've never meet Seanan. Since my body started falling apart I've stopped going to filk cons, so I don't know her as well as I'd like. She's probably got other neat things that she could throw in a package, or could come up with them, that would make people willing to send her money. I mentioned the compact discs, because I know the economics of filk. If Seanan could sell an extra hundred copies of her latest CD, that would be found money. If the package sold for $100.00, that would be $10,000.00 before costs. If she could keep the costs below $60.00, that would be a $40.00 net, or an additional $4000.00 per year. If she could sell a thousand copies within a year, well, Seanan would probably then be making enough money to write full time. Which means she could write more neat books for me to read.

See, I'm doing this for purely selfish reasons.

[EVIL GRIN]
Beagle!

In regards to selling copies I purchased from my publisher, there are a few angles.

1) Copies I buy do not count against my sell-through. It's crazy, but it's true.

2) I don't have time to become a bookstore. Right now, I am not kidding when I say I work a ninety-hour week. I do forty hours at my "pay the mortgage and have medical insurance" job, come home, and do forty to sixty hours writing, answering email, and doing things like maintaining this blog. I'm actually answering comments while I wait for my cold meds to kick in.

In my perfect world, I would just be a writer, and time would be less of an issue. The world isn't perfect, and I can't sell books myself, or I'd have to stop writing them.

Know all about those. I used to travel a lot, quite a few times Heather and the kids didn't see me for more than a week.

However you've got fans that would probably be willing to help. Why not ask?
Because then I am Imposing (tm), and also because I am just OCD enough to take absolute responsibility for anything and everything done in my name. I can never start a religion, I would totally be the God counting the sparrows and freaking out about it.

You aren't imposing if people volunteer to help.

OCD? Been there. Done that. Chewed my fingernails off up to my elbows. Guess what? It doesn't help. But it can be beaten.

Sometimes you have to sit back and let someone else do things. After all, Alice needs her mummy time. It's hard to let go, but if you don't, it will eat you up. I know OCD. I drive Heather crazy. A place for everything, and everything in it's place. She drives me crazy. She's luck if she knows where are car keys are for more than five minutes in a row.

We make a great pair, and have for the last 24 years.

Tell you a secret. When we are cleaning, we clean different rooms. Otherwise we'd kill each other ;)

"why not ask?"

Are you really suggesting that a creator should ask some random volunteer to take on a unpaid, untrained, unsupported career in the hopes that something good would come of it? Because that sounds like a very bad idea.

Publishers (big and small) have their problems, but they provide a lot of vital services not easily replaced - one of many reasons why so many creators would like to have one.

No, you're the one suggesting a random volunteer. I suggested that she talk to her fans. They can do things that publishers can't (or won't). And they will do it with love.
They will do it with love, but without training, and I don't have the time to train. This isn't going to happen right now. Please don't push.

Thank you.
Except many of the people who are downloading your books aren't giving the publisher any money anyhow. What percentage of folks do you think illegally downloaded the books, liked them a lot, and just haven't gotten around to doing the honest thing?

Might help to simply spread it around the fannish community that Seanan's cats need fed, so if you downloaded the books or a friend sent you a copy, please consider making a donation to the cat food fund OR buy a CD OR buy the dead tree edition. Include convenient PayPal and Amazon links to guilt people into doing *something* and not letting your cats starve.

Though from the way you've described your cats, I get the idea that if you were to stop feeding them, we'd be hearing about a writer in Contra Costa County who mysteriously disappeared save for a few well gnawed bones.
The trouble really is that if I start monetizing illegal downloads, and it gets back to my publishers, I'm "encouraging the theft," and I may have issues getting more contracts. What I need is for people to listen to Dora the Explorer, and stop swiping.

Yeah, the cats would eat me in a heartbeat.
Indeed - I'm always appalled by the people who try and claim that in the internet age there's no need for a professional publisher. I wonder how many of them have tried wading through the masses of unedited dreck online looking for the occasional really well-done story. I suspect they haven't or they'd appreciate publishers more.