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"As to hanging, it is no great hardship...": Internet Piracy, and Who It Hurts.

I am about to preach to the choir, because I have no idea what else to do, and frankly, I am at a loss for other options.

I am a professional author. I have worked a very long time to reach a place in my life where I could make that statement and not feel like a fake. I have written books; publishers have judged them commercially viable and worthy of publication; my books can thus be purchased from bookstores and online retailers everywhere. Please note the word "purchased." My books, which cost me time and sanity, and cost my publisher time and money, can be purchased from bookstores and online retailers everywhere.

Or, if you'd prefer, they can be illegally downloaded from the Internet. Mind you, this will eventually lead to my being unable to justify the time it takes me to write them, since an author who cannot make a living through writing must make a living through other means. My cats don't understand "Mommy can't feed you because people don't believe she should be compensated for her work." They also don't understand "People say they like the things I write, but they'd rather steal them than make sure I can keep writing."

To be honest, I don't understand it either.

"See! Piracy is a serious problem." —Penny Arcade.

When I first started publishing, I had no real clue how big the book piracy problem was becoming (and it's continued to grow since then; the number of available torrents increases every day). I was honestly stunned when I got the first Google alert notifying me of an illegal download of Rosemary and Rue. Now, it's a rare day—and for "rare" read "non-existent," now that I have four books in print—that doesn't come with at least one torrent notification. Normally, it's more like four or five, and sometimes more, when some new site discovers my work and gets excited about the possibility of stealing it. Yes, stealing it.

Look: when you calculate the average author's royalties on a mass-market paperback, it comes to approximately fifty cents per copy. Let's assume I got paid $5,000 for Rosemary and Rue. I didn't just pull that figure out of my ass—that's the standard first advance for a genre novel, although very few people will get that exact number. Still, it's nice and round. Now, part of the standard publishing model says that I won't get any additional money for the book until it has managed to earn back the advance, which is done solely from the percentage of the cover price that "belongs" to me. So an author with a $5,000 advance must sell ten thousand copies of their book before they "earn out" and start making additional money. Authors who regularly fail to "earn out" will find themselves with decreasing advances, until the day that the number hits zero, and the party is over.

"Internet piracy isn't that big a deal," people say. "It can't hurt your sales that badly." Oh, really? Well, if I get one notification of an illegal torrent per day...let's assume that each torrent is downloaded three times at most. Okay? One torrent per day is 365 torrents per year, or 1,095 illegal downloads per book per year. This is a conservative estimate of downloads; most torrents will be downloaded more like ten times each. Gosh, I feel popular now! Or maybe violated, it's hard to say.

Returning to our $5,000 advance, I must sell—actually sell, from actual stores—10,000 books before my publisher realizes a profit and says "Yeah, okay, let's keep buying your stuff." Let's assume, this time optimistically, that all 1,095 people who illegally downloaded my book were originally planning to buy it new, before they found this awesome new way to save money and get the book magically delivered to their computer. So unless my book was guaranteed to appeal to 11,095 people, I may have just dipped below the magical 10,000 person mark. Goodie for me.

"Dear person online begging someone to upload an illegal copy of my book because you LOVE me SO MUCH: you don't love me. You love stealing." —Ally Carter, author of Heist Society.

I made the following statement in a relatively recent post:

"Why do book series end in the middle? Because not enough people bought the books. Sometimes they can live on, as with Tim Pratt's online serialization of his fabulous Marla Mason stories, but for the majority of authors, if the sales aren't there, the story's over. Why do midlist authors disappear? Because their sales weren't good enough to justify their continued publication. Why are TV shows canceled? Because not enough people gave money to their advertisers. All entertainment is profit-driven. We pay to play, and when we stop paying, they stop playing."

Several people promptly told me that I was wrong, and that authors who really want to continue their series can do so whether they have a publisher or not. My addiction to professional editing services and distribution is clearly a personal failing, and I should embrace this brave new world of working forty hours a week to pay for cat food, and then going home and working forty hours a week to Stick It To The Man by continuing my canceled series. Sadly, this isn't going to work. When I'm writing books for money, I go through a rigorous internal editing and proofreading process before anyone sees my work. When not writing books for money, I write for my own pleasure, and if there are a few typos or logical failings, whatever. That doesn't pay my bills.

I love my books. I love my art. If I were only in it for the money, I would be doing something else for a living, like selling my kidneys. But at the end of the day, if a series can't pay, I can't afford the hundreds of hours required to write the average book. It's just not feasible. Note the number of unpublished "first in series" books I have sitting around. Until they sell, I can't afford to write the sequels. No matter how much I want to.

"People will spend fifteen bucks on an ironic shirt." —Penny Arcade.

A paperback book costs ten dollars, retail, and less if bought at a discount or with a coupon. This is about the same as a ticket to the movies. Even if you read fast, it will probably take you a minimum of three hours to finish said paperback, and then it's yours to keep. The movie is over faster, and also not yours at the end of the evening. (This is not to say that people don't pirate movies, and that said piracy isn't a huge concern. They do, and it is. But that isn't my department, as yet. Believe me, I'll start researching film piracy the day that Feed is optioned for the big screen.) People are constantly willing to pay for things that are more transitory than books, yet seem to blank out when asked why stealing books is still theft.

"I'll buy it later." Really? "I just want to see if I like it." Okay, how about you download the free chapters from the author's website, and then go to a bookstore? "I want to see if the author has improved since the last one." See above. "I disagree with the author's moral or ethical stance, so I'm voting with my dollars." Okay. You're also voting through theft. Why not get the book from a library or support your local used bookstore instead? It would be a lot less sketchy.

I know plenty of people who would never dream of walking into my house and stealing a book off my shelf, but have talked themselves around to the point where downloading books illegally is just not the same thing, not the same thing at all. It's the same thing. Don't believe me? Ask Paul Cornell (taken from Twitter):

"Just saw download site with 2356 illegal downloads of Knight and Squire. You have no idea how angry that makes me. Bloody thieves."
"Thanks everyone who's said they're buying it. No thanks to: 'well, if it was legally downloadable...' Like they're forced to steal it."
"Just heard: average number of illegal downloads = four times legal sales. That's why your favorite title got canceled. No margin left."

The margin is what makes it profitable for publishers to keep publishing. The margin keeps their lights on, and keeps the creators receiving royalty checks, and now we're back to feeding my cats, which is a topic I think about a great deal. The cats don't give me a choice.

I leave you with this grim thought. Yesterday, I was sitting around, minding my own business, when a friend of mine (name redacted as it was a private conversation) messaged me with:

"Somebody went to the trouble to photocopy all of [upcoming, not yet released book] and put it up online."

This sort of thing tightens control over ARCs, which reduces their distribution to book bloggers, which makes it harder for you to find well-informed early reviews. It potentially hurts my friend's sales, which may result, long-term, in her being dropped from her publisher, which means no more books for her fans. So who does Internet piracy hurt?

It hurts you.
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Yes. I have a huge backlog of books on my In stack, enough that it would take years to catch up, because they go out of print so quickly. (Part of this is just due to our crazy tax laws, but piracy is not helping.)
I think my TBR weighs what I do, with one or two other people added on top of me.
Ouch. I mean, I know all that, but I wasn't up on the precise (or ball-park) numbers. It's good to get an idea of the numbers to be better armed in the battle against book thieves.

I will continue pre-ordering and gifting your books and the books of my other favourite authors to keep the cats fed and the lights on. Even if it means my grocery money goes short for a week or two. I quote Erasmus, "When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left I buy food and clothes".

Keep fighting the good fight and keep the Toby books coming; we'll keep buying as long as possible.
Thank you.

Very much.
Ouch. Sympathies.

I've never understood the argument that internet piracy wasn't hurting anyone. If it's any consolation, many of the people torrenting your books probably aren't going to read them -- I know I've downloaded far more books from Gutenberg than I'm ever going to read, because hey, I don't know exactly which ones I'm going to, and this way they're right here.

The answer for legally-downloadable is "buy a physical copy." Perhaps buy a paper copy *and* torrent the text, but buy a physical copy....
True enough. And the nice thing about Gutenberg is that they're legal. No stealing here!

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If other people can access the file, how could it even be grey?

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ebartley

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madtom_o_bedlam

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seanan_mcguire

5 years ago

Well said about piracy. As for your books, I mentioned Feed to someone at work who was reading a Zombie novel. (They are going to get a copy of Feed dropped onto their desk the next change I get to pick up a copy.)
Yay!
I'd been meaning to buy a new copy of Feed (I gave my original copy to a friend) and this post reminded me to do so and I did so. Gotta keep those cats fed and Seanan needs food too to keep her strength up so she can continue writing.
Thank you!
Yeah . . . if there's no ebook available to me, either because there wasn't one produced or it's not available in the UK, I'll often download one to complement the physical copy I buy. If there's an ebook, I buy the ebook, no contest. If I end up loving the book, I'll often buy both, because while ebooks can't be beaten for convenience, sometimes you have to savour the read!
Totally.

groblek

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seanan_mcguire

6 years ago

:/ people are impatient and don't want to wait for their local library to acquire a copy so they can read for free. Jeezus, at least that option means the author gets something.
Also now when I go to kinokuniya tomorrow on the quest for the elusive textbook, I shall remember to get a copy of Feed. (Read it in the library first.)

seanan_mcguire

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Very welcome.
My income for 30+ years has come from creating software. I sympathize with what you're saying, not just because I'd very much like books to continue to exist, but because I've heard those same excuses and more for...30+ years.
Agreed.

seanan_mcguire

6 years ago


I try to proselytize whenever a friend complains about the price of e-books. I tell them all the things I have seen you mention in terms of the things that actually cost money in getting a book to market, and explain that they physical media (that is the actual distribution of dead trees) is only 20% of the cost of producing a book.

I have educated a few people on this front, who were legitimately surprised by this information.

I don't buy e-books, because I prefer to curl up on the couch with a bunch of dead trees - preferably the sort with huge colonies of Vashta Nerada swarming inside them - bound together with glue in a highly portable format. It may be less environmental and more Luddite of me, but it's also what feels more properly like "reading".




I don't read e-books either(can't stand reading from a screen) but I love audio books as I need them to keep sane while knitting. And they are usually pricier than the book itself. I love curling up with a good book now and then still but if I'm working on a project, it's audio or nothing.
You still have to pay the agent, and taxes on that 5K.

They could also go to the Library and check out your books, and they can even request your books through the Library. No doubt they would steal that too, since its "just" a Library book!
From my understanding, most agents take a percentage of the sales. You'd never see the difference on your end. An agent might be able to get a $0.60 per sale when you, on your own would have gotten $0.40 and they take $0.10 per sale. From your standpoint, you are getting $0.50 per book, the agent walks away with $0.10 per sale, the publishing house deals with the rest.

martianmooncrab

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seanan_mcguire

6 years ago

It's kind of amazing how many people have no qualms about pirating movies, books, software. Since Paul and I have made our living through software, we tend to be a bit hyper-sensitive to the piracy issue. I was going to say you'd be surprised at who justifies it to themselves in one convenient way or another, but you wouldn't, really. It's amazing how someone can say they just don't have the money (while they're holding a Starbuck's latte) or that they'll get a copy later (they never do). It's become such a hot button that certain family and friends don't dare speak of such things around us. They really don't get how it hurts the people who create the media they want to enjoy for free.
It's really upsetting, and there's just no way around it in our current moral climate. Which makes me insanely sad.

it_aint_easy

6 years ago

I hear you ... though I must admit that I have downloaded books recently, I must admit, but they're all books for my PhD, and the 50th time I fail to find a quote in my physical copy that I know is in there somewhere, I finally give up and look for an electronic form ... one that can actually be searched and have paragraphs copied from, because that makes writing the PhD So Much Easier. I'd buy legal copies, but if they're clamped down digital copies one needs a reader for an cannot do Anything with, they're not useful to me. That'd be like the physical copy I already have - and I don't want another copy, I want a copy with, say, a different skill-set.
I consider that rather different. The legality of it is still fuzzy, as has been discussed elsewhere, but if it's a reference book you've already paid for, and it's for finding and not transcribing, it's hard to see that as ethically wrong.
As much as I agree with you on the whole, this bit:
Let's assume, this time optimistically, that all 1,095 people who illegally downloaded my book were originally planning to buy it new, before they found this awesome new way to save money and get the book magically delivered to their computer.
...just isn't true.

There's a lot of evidence out there that says that those folks who're stealing your stuff would not be buying it if it weren't available to steal. They were likely never your customers. Those are not lost sales. Treating them as if they were just does not match what reality seems to be.

Yes, absolutely, they are stealing something from you, and they are hurting you when they do largely because publishers do treat them as lost sales and they do things like measuring illegal downloads versus legal sales, and make decisions based on that. Perception is everything.

But even if you could somehow prevent those 1,095 people from stealing your work, that would not be 1,095 more sales. It would very likely be no more sales. And there's some chance it would be less sales, because there is some evidence that while illegal downloaders generally aren't your customers, they do seem to increase your exposure, that that does seem to increase sales.

This is one of those areas where human behaviour is really not well understood yet, and we have publishers of various sorts of media making decisions as if it were really true that if we could just get these people to stop stealing stuff, they would buy it instead. And yet all the evidence points to that being very much not true.

In my opinion you can make your argument stronger if you avoid buying into this faulty assumption.
I don't think it weakened Seanan's argument, but you are correct in some regard. The library, for example, is a place you can go and get the book for free without spending money. Popular authors are often always out.

Ironically, stolen books from an actual bookstore helps meet the author's advance.

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sheistheweather

6 years ago

How would one report an illegally available download of a book? Would it be to the publisher?

dianora2

November 4 2010, 18:57:56 UTC 6 years ago Edited:  November 4 2010, 18:58:21 UTC

Yes, in fact some publishers have special pages on their websites just to report piracy.

ladymondegreen

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seanan_mcguire

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sheistheweather

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Just linked this to my facebook.

Btw sales of FEED continue strong at the store AND I am getting the same group of booksellers hooked on Toby. :)

Ciao, Melissa
Yay!
This is one of the clearest and simplest explanations I've ever seen, and I've read quite a few.

For the record, I don't illegally download books, but I did borrow all of yours from the library. Even though we have 26 bookcases full in the house already, this post has convinced me to go buy all of your books now, in the interests of keeping your cats fed. ;) So I guess, circuitously, I count as a reader turned into a customer *because* of your piracy discussion to the choir?

(As an aside, I hate zombie books and am terrified of zombies, and _Feed_ was so damned good I'm recommending it to people. Amazing work.)
+1 on the zombies and FEED :-)

seanan_mcguire

6 years ago

Two things.

Thing 1. The same is very true for print newspapers. Many newspapers are trying to find a way to make money with the internet. Putting stories online for people to read is one way to try and compete in today's market. For them to make money, you have to go to the newspaper's website and read it. People assume that because it is news, it is free.

You had a great description of the difference between Newsies and the people that sit at home and don't go out in Feed. For you to learn about the news, you need to have people willing to go out and find that news. For people to find that news, they need to be able to eat. So every time you read a copy of a news story that has been reposted somewhere else, you are taking money away from someone who went out and did investigative work to it bring to you.

I appreciate bloggers for brining to attention news from other places, but it is important that not only you support that blogger, that you also support the sources of that news. Without that news, the blogger would have nothing to bring you. Click links to the article and support the people doing the work.

Thing 2. Do you, as an author, have any advice for writers of how they can help themselves reach the full amount of their advance? I've just gotten back my alpha readers feedback for my first novel and I'm about to start entering the "find an agent" phase. Clearly, you have put some thought into this, so I'd like to hear what you have to say.

And thanks for sharing. It was a very excellent read.

- Joshua "Caviar Parfait" Keezer
Thing 1. The same is very true for print newspapers. Many newspapers are trying to find a way to make money with the internet. Putting stories online for people to read is one way to try and compete in today's market. For them to make money, you have to go to the newspaper's website and read it. People assume that because it is news, it is free.

This is why I had no problem paying the web subscription for the New York Times for a long time. I subscribed to a print edition of my local paper for a long time, and finally quit - not because online was easier (which it is) but because of their !_*$!_+^&$##@%^&()_)_)((!#@$#!@$ telemarketing crew who kept calling me to upgrade my subscription. NEVER SUBSCRIBING AGAIN - but it's their own fault.

hanabishirecca

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seanan_mcguire

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hanabishirecca

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Yeah, cx as many people have downloaded my last book on demonoid alone than have bought the ebook version legally. Not sure if it translates to 4:1 overall, but still.
Guh.
I have purchased two copies of Rosemary and Rue(because I lost the first copy), A Local Habitation(which I may have to buy a second copy of since I lost the first, too), and "An Artifical Night". I downloaded a copy of Feed from e-music and am now looking to get the physical copy. I've downloaded the audio book of "An Artifical Night" from my local library and will be buying the MP3 versions of all of them when I can afford it(hopefully around Christmas). If I cannot afford the book at the time, I will borrow it from the library. I will always support my favorite authors by recommending them to my friends. I may be excited when a new book is coming out, but I will never download it illegally just so I could read it.
The internet also makes it easy to download books legitimately! In a way that feeds Seanan's cats!

I'm assuming the numbers from legit downloads (Amazon, B&N--you know, those ones) count towards your sale numbers?
Yup!
I have lived long enough to see the shift from clearly defined morality* to an ambiguous "As long as I get what I want" morality and this is just one aspect of that.

I was thrilled when I discovered Baen Books a few years ago because, at the time I couldn't afford any books, even from second-hand book stores, and, at least there, I could read the beginning chapters of books that I was hoping to someday purchase and read all the way through. I am now in that position and, even though I can't buy all the books I want to read at once, I can now purchase them when I have time to read.

In seeking out places like Baen Books I cam across some illegal and quasi-legal sites that had pirated copies of some of the books. The only time I even considered using such sites was when what I was seeking was out of print with no chance of ever being re-published. Even then I was twitchy about doing so.

I love your work and the follow-ups to Rosemary and Rue are on my to-be-purchased-soon list. It is entirely possible I may, at that time, be seeking an e-book because we have a small house and a very large collection of books. Until someone invents a dimensionally folded library "real" books may not be practical for voracious readers like my SO and myself.

I realize my response is disjointed and all over the map, but this post has my mind flying in several directions which ultimately boil down to "Great post and food for thought and I need to get off my lazy butt and post a more comprehensive take on it in my writing blog** (else-web)".

*Not the "The Ghod I believe in says . . ." type of morality, but the "Decency is in actions and intent" morality.

**LJ is my noodle and keep up with folks journal. Writing blog link is on my profile.

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(They were right. Is the sequel out?)

May 2011. I'm very glad that I enjoy anticipation.

seanan_mcguire

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I have, at the time of this writing, purchased five copies of Feed. I keep loaning them to people, and routinely do not get them back.

I know I'm not part of the problem. As a member of the generation that grew up with internet always available, I am in the suppressed minority when I say things like you have posted here. Some people, even ones I consider friends, become very belligerent when one contests their 'right' to 'get stuff free'.

I find it all rather baffling, frankly.
As do I.
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