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Why Scott Pilgrim is important (voting with your dollars).

A movie called Scott Pilgrim vs. the World was released recently. It's a classic "boy meets girl, boy fights girl's seven evil exes to keep girl, boy learns important life lessons through kicking ass" story, told with all the manic intensity of a Nintendo game on Red Bull and speed. Is it perfect? No. There are probably things that could have been done better, or at least differently, without changing the movie into something that it didn't want to be. But it's good. It's quirky and strange and wild and totally new; it's something we've only ever seen before if, say, we ate a dozen Krispie Kreme donuts before challenging our boyfriends to an all-night Super Mario 3 game session that ended with sweaty sugar-buzz groping on the living room couch.

For example. And even then, it was a hallucination, whereas Scott Pilgrim vs. the World is something you can show to other people.

Sadly, when the opening weekend box office for Scott Pilgrim was reported, it was well below industry expectations, and the movie was promptly written off as a flop. It doesn't matter if it makes back its budget and more on DVD; it failed. It didn't bring in big bucks in the theater. The same thing happened to Slither, which has been one of my favorite movies of all time basically since the first commercial aired. Bad box office, great DVD sales, game over. (And yes, opening week matters. It's incredibly rare for something to have sales that climb after the opening rush has passed, which is why, weirdly, it's important to be a part of that initial rush, if you can. That initial rush is what tells the accountants "this is going to be okay.")

A lot of people said a lot of things when the numbers for Scott Pilgrim started coming in, and what a lot of them said boiled down to, "Why do you care?" You are not, after all, involved with writing, producing, marketing, or selling the movie; you're just a consumer. The movie was there to be consumed, you consumed it, now move on. And to a degree, they're right. No one can ever take Slither away from me; all the bad box office in the world can't keep Scott Pilgrim out of my DVD collection once it's released in a purchasable format. So why do I care?

I care because we're not going to get another movie like Scott Pilgrim any time soon. I care because Slither tanking at the box office is why we had to wait five years for Zombieland. I care because all entertainment is profit-driven, and when we don't put our quarters in the plastic pony, it stops bucking.

Why do book series end in the middle? Because not enough people bought the books. Sometimes they can live on, as with tim_pratt's online serialization of his fabulous Marla Mason stories, but for the majority of authors, if the sales aren't there, the story's over. Why do midlist authors disappear? Because their sales weren't good enough to justify their continued publication. Why are TV shows canceled? Because not enough people gave money to their advertisers. All entertainment is profit-driven. We pay to play, and when we stop paying, they stop playing.

Scott Pilgrim is important because it's a weird, wacky, wonderful movie, and it's going to be a long time before we see something else like it. Next time you love something weird, wacky, and wonderful—whether it's a movie, a TV show, or a book—remember the lesson of Scott Pilgrim, and the eighth evil ex: the box office. In this economy, it's more important than ever that we kick its ass.
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I really wanted it to do so much better. It deserved it.
It did.

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I absolutely don't think you should see something you don't like twice; I'm too busy supporting my own shows to support yours at the same time, unless they overlap. This is more "look, if you wanted this to exist, if you wanted to see this, you needed to see it. You needed to support it."

Titan A.E. got hit by the same thing.

lysystratae

6 years ago

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Totally understandable. The economy sucks.

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seanan_mcguire

6 years ago

The reason I'm okay the movie didn't do well is this. I recognize that because it didn't do well, I might miss out on something interestingly avant garde and fun. But that's not really a reason to support something I know is going to also support a lot of attitudes I dislike.

(Not to say people shouldn't enjoy it, just that I, personally, am deeply bothered by some of the attitudes in both the comic and the movie and thus chose not to watch for most of the reasons eloquently stated in the linked post.)
These are all totally reasonable reasons not to see a thing, and we all have our hot buttons in different places. (As a horror fan, I argue a lot about whether a movie that has a male monster and mostly consists of screaming and running can pass the Bechdel. Although Resident Evil managed it.)

Scott Pilgrim, in this case, is less of a "OMG YOU GUYS WHY DIDN'T YOU RUN OUT AND SAVE IT OMG," and more, "here is an example, look, everyone who complains about this sort of thing, this is why." I'm honestly a lot more upset about Slither (and Freakylinks, but that show broke my heart forever).

artbeco

6 years ago

seanan_mcguire

6 years ago

palmer_kun

6 years ago

ryuutchi

6 years ago

Scott Pilgrim gets released in the UK tomorrow and I'm looking forward to seeing it.

I'm kind of hoping that notwithstanding the failure to hit the top 2 places in its opening weekend, the word of mouth ensures it stays in the top 10 for a long time because studios do seem to be paying more attention to longevity and second-viewing movies (there was a lot of buzz about people going back to see Inception a number of times).

It's such a shame because there's a dearth of smart films out there at the best of times, so when you get something that sounds so smart and fun, you'd think people would be gagging to check it out.
I think Inception ate everybody's "smart" quotient for the summer.

hooton

6 years ago

muddlewait

6 years ago

seanan_mcguire

6 years ago

black13

6 years ago

lysystratae

6 years ago

Does the "opening weekend" paradigm apply to books? I plan to grab An Artificial Night as soon as I see it, but does it matter that I do so?
In the Bestseller lists, yes, opening week DOES matter; presales also affect that.

seanan_mcguire

6 years ago

markbernstein

6 years ago

seanan_mcguire

6 years ago

That was an excellent summation. My husband read it over my shoulder (he's a HUGE movie buff, and he too loved Slither, so you went up in his esteem by also loving Slither) and is giving you an online fist-jab for writing this.

I loved Scott Pilgrim (no, it wasn't perfect, but it was still awesome). And I was crushed when I started to see the numbers come in, because it was wildly imaginative and I knew, as you knew, that it not making the numbers it was expected to make at the box office was going to hamstring other, similarly quirky and imaginative films for YEARS. I'm sure it will make it's money back on DVD. I'm sure it will be a culty favorite, I'm sure it will be able to sell T shirts and stuff for a long while, and why not? It speaks to a segment of the population that's a lot bigger than people think, it comes from a well respected and also-awesome graphic novel series that won't be going out of print any time soon--why shouldn't it be a great long term investment?

Alas, if only film companies (and stockholders) actually THOUGHT that way.

If people ever wonder why we keep getting crappy-ass TV show remakes instead of brilliant, fun original content, this is why. If they wonder why we see fifty-million James Patterson books instead of witty new content from up-and-coming authors, this is also why.

To quote my LOLcatspeak: THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS.

This is also why I make it a point to BUY a book if I really like it, even if I borrowed it or checked it out from the library initially. And then I buy it for loved ones I believe will enjoy it. And then I tell everybody I know that they MUST READ THIS BOOK if they like whatever it's about. Because money talks and I want to throw my nickle in favor of producing the sorts of intelligent but awesome and fun books I want to read. Because if I don't, it might not be there anymore. :(
Your point is good, and your effort well-appreciated.

And here is a fist-jab for your husband.
I had the exact same reaction, spiraling into nihilism. Of course, I'm one of those midlist authors with a cancelled series, so there you be.
I'm sorry, honey.

spitphyre

6 years ago

mdhenry

6 years ago

I have to say, I really loved that movie and will see it again if I get the chance. It is also a definite must have for my DVD collection.
Yay! :)
And I did email this, but I think I'm going to park this right here.

*whistles innocently*

Great video--may I post it to my f-locked f-list?

What does Puff get for dessert?
Have you considered a handmixer for whipping cream? Ours has lasted forever.

I have no cat at the moment :( but our almost-catlike dogs are likewise spoiled. They want chocolate, which will kill them, and grains, which contributes to their skin allergies, but they lick plates all the time, unless there's choco or something else inimical to dogs.

hanabishirecca

6 years ago

saffronrose

6 years ago

seanan_mcguire

6 years ago

Corporations are afraid to gamble on different, damn them. One of the reasons some series movies fails is that people get tired of nothing new in the storyline.

Lack of promotion and shortened printrun spirals are the death of midlist authors. You can sell out an entire shortened printrun and still be told it wasn't enough--the beancounters won't print more, and then complain about used bookstore sales.

Thank goodness you've captured a need for innovation, which you do VERY well. That and plot twists and good characters...
Thank you. :)
I showed the trailer to one of my best friends, and she just said, "Oh, it's too silly. It's like a comic book." I resisted the urge to hit my head on the desk repeatedly. My other frequent movie-going friend said much the same thing, minus the negativity on comic books in general. (I love comics...)

I'm going to go see it soon. I was thinking of waiting until it came out on video, but now I think I'd better get the full experience in the theater. I had to see "Zombieland" at the dollar theater for similar reasons of lack of popularity, as you say. It's only one person's extra movie ticket towards the proceeds, but then, it's only one person's vote in an election.
I really found that Scott Pilgrim benefited from the big screen. It'll still be good on a TV screen, but it'll lose that "WHAM" factor. Definitely catch it if you can.
I will note this: as much as I love comics, nothing I have heard about this film or the comic it's based on appeal to me. And one friend said, "I loved it...Alex, you would hate it." I suspect that there are a lot of people in my age range - and as much as I try to be all hip and young (sometimes), I am over 40 - who are on the other side of a divide about things like video games and music. This isn't to say anything about the quality of the film one way or the other. But it might explain why it's not doing so well.
"as much as I love comics, nothing I have heard about this film or the comic it's based on appeal to me"

The same goes for me. And not just that. The trailers seemed to go out of their way to emphasize that this is a movie I wouldn't enjoy. A lot of people blame the Michael Cera effect, but that isn't a factor for me since I haven't seen anything with Cera in it, ever. For me, the trailers not just spoke of a movie that was trying too hard to be hip and cool to actually be hip and cool, it grabbed my shirt-front and shook me and shouted it in my face. That very much turned me off.

Basically, I decide what I conside epic. If you need to tell me you're epic, you aren't.

Another thing that factors into why I won't even watch this movie on DVD: the overreaction of the fans. Oh, it's EVIL that Expendables and Julia Roberts are more popular at the box office than SCOTT PILGRIM and we NEED TO GO TO WAR against Expendables and Julia Roberts because EVERYONE WHO GOES TO SEE EXPENABLES AND JULIA ROBERTS COMMITS A CRIME AGAINST NATURE AND NEEDS TO BE FORCED AT SWORDPOINT TO SEE SCOTT PILGRIM HALLELUJAH!!
It feels almost like a religious crusade. Watch Scott Pilgrim or you're a heretic and we will burn your village.

That too is very off-putting. And then there is the killing stroke -- this: http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/motion-captured/posts/an-open-letter-to-twilight-fans-about-scott-pilgrim

Does the perceived failure of Scott Pilgrim mean there will be fewer quirky movies? Frankly, I don't think so. Hollywood already stopped making quirky movies many many years ago. But! Hollywood isn't the be-all and end-all, never mind how much they would like to be. The last couple of quirky movies -- came from the UK, France and Italy. If you want quirky movies, maybe you should just cast your net wider.

Instead of, you know, being so obnoxious about one comic book adaptaion that you actively antagonize those you want to convert. I'm not talking about you, Seanan, I'm talking about the Scott Pilgrim fans as a whole.

seanan_mcguire

6 years ago

black13

6 years ago

seanan_mcguire

6 years ago

I read a small review that claimed that the movie was "sexist and slightly misogynist" because the premise was that Ramona was "a prize to be won" etcetera. I've been wondering how to feel about that. I don't think I agree at all. But I'm curious. I'd like your opinion. You write amazing female characters; you might understand.
I don't agree with that claim of sexism, really; yes, Ramona's evil exes fought Scott to keep him from being with her, but it didn't begin until Ramona made it clear that she was willing to be with Scott. He didn't just start punching people and then go "woman mine now."

brightlotusmoon

6 years ago

The flip side, of course, is that, after a decade of movies at inflated prices that are barely worth seeing on DVD, what used to be a several times a month ritual is something I do maybe two or three times a year, and then only if it's already popular with geekdom and I need to know about it to write a filk song about it. Since the development of CGI as a substitute for storytelling, I've almost come to associate the very medium of movies and TV as something no longer worth doing, kind of like a former carnivore no longer misses McDonalds after becoming accustomed to vegetarianism.

Advertising and manufactured hype are unreliable, the turkey-to-awesome ratio is at sucker bet levels, and opening weekend tickets now cost enough money that it's not worth taking a chance on being burned. Other than word of mouth from respected people who have already seen and liked it, how would one know whether any given movie is any good?
Yes, that's a valid point. I see possibly two or three movies a year at the cinema, because (a) I don't go to the cinema on my own and (b) actually getting together with someone else and finding a movie we both want to see and which we find more interesting than doing something else is not frequent. The latter, of course, is also affected by the price. Oh, and (c) I probably don't even hear about them for several weeks, by which time (d) they probably aren't showing locally any more.

So almost all movies I do watch are on DVD (I don't have BluRay or whatever the latest format is), and often several years after release. And usually rented, only a few I like enough that I actually want a copy.

I'm actually more likely to buy boxed sets of TV series. I have all of the series of NCIS released so far in Region 2 (UK) format, for instance, am likely to buy Warehouse 13 and Fringe ones if I see them, and The Middleman if it is ever released (since it hasn't even been shown on UK TV that will likely be a long wait). As well as a number of older and completed series (Firefly, Knight Rider, the original Battlestar Galactica, Buck Rogers, and several others).

Would I like to see more "special interest" films produced? Certainly. But I'm not willing to spend money and time on films I'm pretty certain I would dislike just because they are 'offbeat'. If people don't produce the films I like I can read (and reread) books (the pictures are better in text, just as they are on radio).

(I have a feeling I may get rid of my TV. I'm finding that I prefer watching on the computer -- same resolution, the screen being closer means that there's no difference in visual angle, and if I'm watching on the computer I can't go and look at email or LJ or whatever at the same time. I can always record off-air onto the computer and then watch it later at my convenience.)
I'm going to go see it tonight!

A friend of mine who works in the movie business explained to me one of the big, big reasons it tanked so badly opening weekend: free showings beforehand. Comic-con. At least one in the major markets. It did really well at those showings, great numbers, buuuuuut.... enough people saw it for free beforehand that what is basically a quirky comedy-romance aimed at the late teens and early 20s crowd didn't have a large enough paying audience afterwards, especially in this economy.

Which is sad.

But I'm going tonight.
That's interesting, since everyone expected Serenity to fail for the same reason, and it didn't.

Oh, well.
I like and enjoyed Zombieland and all but I LOVE Slither. I have to admit though that I refused to see it in theaters. I didn't have tv and the radio spots played up the fact that it was from the creators of some movie I didn't care for. I wish I HAD gone though.

This post inspired me to go watch Scott Pilagrim again.
I saw it in theaters so many times. SO MANY TIMES. I swear, I can recite that damn movie.
While I'm not much for movies, that principle is why when I can afford it, I buy books that I read in electronic format again as physical books (also so that I can push them on friends). And why if I'm introduced to a good book someone loans me, I'll do the same if I can afford it. Similarly I do this at the local independent bookstore, both to support them and because they're more likely to be trained to stock the books without my having to special-order them after a few times. And I've had one visit where I went to order a book and the clerk decided that they'd better order another copy for the store, since it looked interesting and I'd shown that there's at least some demand. I just wish my wallet would let me do that more often.
You are a gentleman and a scholar.
I was stunned by the box office numbers for this. Based on the well-targeted, sizable, months-long media build-up to it, I found myself (to my embarrassment, in hindsight) believing that Scott Pilgrim was going to get big enough to be mildly annoying. As a result, I didn't go see it, and immediately regretted that I didn't.

I guess a bunch of the people in the target audience must've been taken to The Expendables by their dads from the 80's instead. And I am a dad from the 80's, so no fair taking offense. And no, I did not, and will not, see The Expendables. Because the reverse of what Seanan says is also true: while some ideas need help, others are taking up valuable real estate.

At least Kick-Ass did more or less all right, and avoided "bomb" designation. Of course, it probably achieved a lot of the success it had with shock value.
I wouldn't be surprised if you were right, honestly. Sometimes the "sure thing" fails due to lack of immediate support.
I have seen it, and I'm kind of in two minds about it- it was crazy, crazy awesome, but it was problematic (you have that many female characters and yet still can't pass the Bechdel test?). I would love to see someone pull the crazy crazy weirdshit thing without the whole thing being a boys' club.
Agreed. Tank Girl, anyone?
Goddamn opening weekend numbers--I still want to see it, and in the theater, I'm just broke now!
It's holding on in some places. All hail the summer slump.
I felt this way about Repo! too. I fell in love with the concept of a horror-opera before it even came out, and I wish badly that it had had a chance to prove itself because I know it's never going to happen again.
I really doubt that I'll see Scott Pilgrim, because the premise doesn't appeal, and watching Michael Cera tends to make me want to punch him in the face (he ruined Nick and Norah's Infinite Playlist for me. To this day I love the book, and Kat Dennings was excellent as Norah, but I spent most of those 90 minutes trying to pretend that Michael Cera didn't exist).

This said, I do agree with your point. If you love something, vote with your dollars. If you're going to tell me, your friendly local bookseller, about how you're only in my store because a friend gave you a voucher and you hate spending money on books when you know places online where you can download them for free, I am going to want to hit you.

(That's a lot of talk about hitting people from someone who isn't actually violent. I just get annoyed with idiots like the book example above. And can't stand Michael Cera.)

Also, I finished reading A Local Habitation on the way to work this morning. And you very nearly made me cry on the train. Thought you might like to know :)
Oh, absolutely: the post wasn't meant to read as "see Scott Pilgrim right now or you suck," more just "if you love the idea of something, or want more of something, you have to vote with your dollars." I'm vaguely annoyed with myself that it didn't read as clearly as I wanted it to. Ah, well.

And yes, I did want to know. :)

stevemb

August 25 2010, 15:04:15 UTC 6 years ago Edited:  August 25 2010, 15:07:24 UTC

And yes, opening week matters. It's incredibly rare for something to have sales that climb after the opening rush has passed, which is why, weirdly, it's important to be a part of that initial rush, if you can. That initial rush is what tells the accountants "this is going to be okay."

The problem is, by the time I've gotten enough trustworthy feedback on whether or not something's worth the trouble and money of seeing in a theater, that window has closed. (If I don't wait to make that judgment, that makes it worse if the movie sucks, because I've already sent an irrevocable signal "Yeah, make more of this kind of crap".)

That's a major issue, and sadly, right now, it's endemic to the system. I hate it.
Loved Scott Pilgrim, saw it twice, so far...
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