Explaining fat shaming to my mother.

People that are overweight should be ashamed. There is only one cause. They eat too much. Let's be honest, the only "glandular problem" is salivary glands.

"But I exercise every day!" That's nonsense. No amount of exercise will make you lose weight if you continue to consume more calories than you burn. That's the hard fact. exercise will make you more fit, but, if you use exercise as an excuse to continue to gulp down calories as if they didn't count, you'll continue o be overweight and unwelcome in the airplane seat next to mine.

Yes, this is "politically incorrect" but it also happens to be the truth. If you can't handle that, stand naked in front of a mirror and say, "Stop eating so much" 100 times.

You are incorrect. There are not many causes of being over weight. There is only one, consuming more calories that you burn. Everything else is a lie.

Yo-Yo dieting is simply proof that diets do not work. There have been numerous studies done that demonstrate this. I cite several of these in my book, "Fit For Free Forever.

The only solution to weight control is to eat less. If you combine that with moving more, you will become more fit and control your weight. Sadly, many people do not have the will power to even try. People are always looking for a "miracle diet" or something that require little effort or thought on their part.

The truth is, none of that works. No matter how unpleasant you may find a fact to be, it is still a fact. If you don't like it, playing "kill the messenger" will not improve anything. As I say in my book, "Excuses are easier than action."

And you need to go back to class, if you really think there's only 1 reason anyone is overweight. Or are you really trying to say doctors are wrong when they talk about, say, thyroid disease? I've watched that one put weight on a man who was so ill he threw up everything he ate. Or diabetes?that doesn't exist either, then? How about PCOS?

Go back to school, buddy.

If anyone needs to go back to school, it's you. Learn basic addition and subtraction. You are also a liar. If one "throws up everything he eats" is is not possible to take in more calories than are burned. So intake is happening either through intravenous feeding or some other method. You can't even tell a logical lie.

I didn't say that there were not other reasons for not burning enough calories, but you obviously attribute your own comprehension deficit to everyone else.

FYI, someone close to me has diabetes and I have known many others who have had it. By itself, it does not make one gain weight. In fact, many with the Disease are painfully thin.

Here is the FACT, No matter what the reason, 6,000 calorie a day intake minus 4,0000 calorie a day usage equals a 2,000 calorie surplus. Where do you think that goes? There. that wasn't so hard was it? Not even long division is required.

Before you criticize others, first of all, don't lie. Next learn some facts.

I didn't say that there were not other reasons for not burning enough calories

Yeah, you did - in your first comment ("There is only one cause"), and again in the reply to seanan that I commented on ("There are not many causes of being over weight. There is only one..."), as well as several other places.

As for my friend with the thyroid problem, obviously he's taking in some calories, or he'd be dead. My apologies - I forgot one needs to be very specific with trolls or they'll go off on a tangent. At his worst, he gets 10-15 minutes of digestion time in before throwing up. On good days, he'll get to enjoy his food for almost an hour. And you're correct that he's not using as many calories as he's getting - because the disease and its side effects (like the constant vomiting) have left him too weak to do much of anything, much less exercise.

Unexplained weight gain (and difficulty in getting it back off) is one of the symptoms of PCOS. Difficulty in losing weight is a frequent symptom of diabetes and thyroid disease; oddly enough, sudden weight LOSS can also be a symptom of both.

So that's 3 reasons with medical backing for why someone would be overweight.

I'm not saying some people don't eat too much (tho I do wonder how anyone would manage 6000 calories a day on a regular basis without eating at McDonald's for every meal - even then, you'd have to have a 32oz chocolate shake with lunch and dinner to get over 4000 according to their calorie chart); I'm saying you're wrong if you think that is the one and only reason people are fat.

Again, you reveal your comprehension deficit or perhaps your selective memory. I said that there can be different reasons why people fail to burn enough calories. But, ultimately, consuming more than you use is the sole reason.
Even at that, reading through your convuluted response, reveals that you admit that yes, you are a liar and yes, I am right.

Obviously, you like to read into my text things that aren't there so it fits your misconceptions about everything. I gave the 6,000 vs 4,000 calorie example so that even someone of your obviously limited mental abilities could see how the math works. Clearly, I overestimated your capacities.

I'm finished with this thread. Throwing intellectual pearls before mental swine is a waste of time. At first, it was mildly amusing, now, it's just boring. I have a character flaw in that I have little patience for stupid people. That's a problem, I know. As Albert Einstein said, "The two most common elements in the universe as hydrogen and human stupidity." For certain, this thread supports that statement.

Let me see if I follow your logic.

You support making overweight people feel ashamed because you think that they eat too much, and eating too much signifies a lack of self-control, and leads to problems like being unwelcome in your close company.

Alright. Regardless of what you think causes weight gain or loss, why is making people feel BAD about themselves the solution? When people are ashamed of themselves, they are not inspired to change. Feeling worthless is not conducive to change. Feeling worthless just makes somebody want to hide his head in a bucket of fried chicken. It's when a person feels GOOD about him/herself that a person feels worthy of self-work. Think about it: If your car's totaled, and you LIKE your car, you're more likely to fix it.

And while we're at it, why aren't we solving ALL of humanity's problems with the shame solution? If people should be ashamed because they do something too much that is unhealthy, underweight people should be ashamed, too: they exercise too much, they take too many diet pills, they spend too much time not eating. Why doesn't our culture shame them? And anyone whose skintone is more than three shades darker than how they were born: they go out in the sun too much, it's bad for them, they have no self-control. Why aren't they ashamed? People who drink too much, people who work too much, people who engage in any behavior that is unhealthy outside the bounds of moderation.

(As an aside: I don't think I would like being next to YOU in an airplane, either.)

It isn't what I think, it's facts. It's interesting that people are perfect;y willing to "Kill the messenger" buy not one of you has attempted to prove even one word I have posted is not true.

No matter what your excuse, thyroid problems, metabolism "too slow" whatever makes you feel good to think, it's very simple math. If the caloric intake exceed the caloric burn, your body likes to store the excess as fat against a possible famine. Unfortunately, heart attacks, strokes, and renal failure get most of us before the famine ever happens.

So you don't like the news. That doesn't make it false. Changing your eating habits isn't even difficult. Just take a little less of everything. Yes, one should try to eat a healthy diet. But no one wants to live on grapefruit and toothpicks forever. Gradually reduce the portions you take until you reach an equilibrium in the calorie equation. That's it, no higher math required, no special diet foods, no gym dues, nothing. If you take a 20-minute brisk walk every day, that will help your physical conditioning and burn some calories. But no amount of exercise will make you lose weight as long as you are on the wrong end of the intake/burn ration. Like it or not, those are the cold, hard facts.

Anything else is a scam and only designed to make you lose weight by lightening your wallet.

Aha, I see. You're not actually READING any of these comments, or doing anything so simple as to reply to what I actually SAID, you're just trying to sell your weight-loss math.

Well, I guess I can't blame you much. But I wish you'd back up your claim that "shame is good" with something besides "calories are bad."

I am not selling anything. In fact, I GIVE the book away.

Again, you attack me personally, but decline to attempt to disprove even one word. That tells me lost about you. None of it says anything good about your attitude, mentality or ethics.

Shame is good if it gets people to stop stuffing their faces and do something useful for themselves.

FYI, my ignorant little friend, I have been in the health and fitness business for over 30 years and have owned martial arts schools, a Nautilus center, and have helped thousands of people with fitness and weight control. What have you done to make you an expert on anything?

Instead of attacking people who say things you don't like, how about doing something positive for yourself?

"If freedom means anything, it is the liberty to tell others what they do not want to hear."

But, my supposedly wise little friend, what I'm SAYING is that shame DOESN'T get people to stop stuffing their faces.

And how do you know that. As usual, you attack me without one shred of proof that you are anything but an argumentative, ignorant little jerk. When are you going to answer even one question about proof, or your qualifications to be anything but an annoying POS? I'm pretty sure that will be never,

So I'm not wasting any more time on a fool like you. Either put up or stop embarrassing yourself by making idiotic statements that you cannot hope to back u with anything like evidence.

Just think about it. In your 30 years of health and fitness experience, did shame help people achieve the goals they set?

When you were trying to help someone towards a goal, a new belt at your martial arts schools, or a heavier weight on a Nautilus machine at your center, did you encourage them by making them ashamed of themselves? Did it work?

AS a matter of fact, dumb-ass. yes it did work in many cases.

Again, you are exposing your total ignorance of everything and have not even attempted to prove one word I have posted it wrong. So why don't you obey the biblical imperative to "Go forth and multiply thyself" (Brother Dave Gardener)

You are not only stupid, you're boring. If you can't be semi-intelligent, at least be entertaining. You haven't even been able to come up with a decent insult, except to yourself.

You want proof that shame is a poor motivator for weight loss?

Oh-kay. Here's three quotes from scholarly articles in peer-reviewed journals from the last three years, and accompanying links:

http://www.nature.com/oby/journal/v15/n3/full/oby2007590a.html, "Changes in Obesity-Related Attitudes in Women Seeking Weight Reduction," and here's a quote: "Improvement in self-esteem was associated with a reduction in negativity about obesity and with improvements in body image." They felt better about themselves, they felt less negative about obesity, they lost weight.

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/121388211/abstract, "Who copes well? Obesity-related coping and its associations with shame, guilt, and weight loss" In this article, they tried to prove your point, and failed: "Body Mass Index showed no substantial association with the coping measures."

And here's the REAL kicker, from the Journal of Health Psychology, "Effects of Weight Stigma on Exercise Motivation and Behavior", http://hpq.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/13/1/131, and I'm just going to quote the entire abstract:

This study examined the relation between weight stigma, exercise motivation and exercise behavior. One hundred female undergraduates (BMIs [kg/m2] 17—38) completed measures of experiences with weight stigma, body dissatisfaction, self-esteem and exercise motivation, and reported on their exercise behavior. Stigma experiences were positively correlated with BMI and body dissatisfaction. Importantly, stigma experiences were related to increased desire to avoid exercise, even when controlling for BMI and body dissatisfaction. Exercise avoidance was in turn related to less frequent strenuous and moderate exercise. These findings suggest that weight stigma (through its impact on avoidance motivation) could potentially decrease physical activity levels.

Oh, look, the troll who can only speak in ad hominem attacks stopped responding because the links from actual scientists and real studies made his head hurt.

If you had read my book, you would know that I am very much down ob special diets, supplements and specifically said, and prove, that they lead to yo-yo weight changes and people end up heavier than ever. I have also stated on here that no amount of exercise will make you lose weight, If you continue to eat more than you burn, you will gain weight.

As for the rest, it is exactly the type of comment I would expect from an uncomprehending fool with a reading disability - like you.