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Explaining fat shaming to my mother.

The other day, I needed to go to the mall to acquire a new bra. This happens periodically. It's a normal thing. I go to the mall for my bras because that's where the Lane Bryant is, and they make the best bras for my particular body type. What's more, I already know which of their bras will work for me and which won't, which takes a lot of the sting out of shopping. I've worked very hard to get to a place in my life where I could say "I need a new bra" and follow it up with "Let's go to the mall," rather than "Let's repair the old one with some safety pins and maybe a strip of duct tape, and I can buy the new one next month." This doesn't mean that I want to spend an hour digging through the racks, looking for the one that's Just Right. I want to know my options, I want to know what I'm buying, and I want to just do it already.

"Isn't this the store that made that ad?" Mom asked.

"Which ad?"

"The one they wouldn't show on TV."

"Oh. Yeah."

For those of you who managed to miss this whole thing, Fox and ABC refused to air a Lane Bryant commercial, saying that it was inappropriate, despite the fact that both networks air commercials for Victoria's Secret. Now, I've seen both commercials, and if you want to talk comparative nudity, well. The new line from Victoria's Secret is actually called "Naked." The Lane Bryant lingerie, on the other hand, covers a lot more, while committing the dual sins of a) being made for plus-sized women, and b) being reasonably attractive. That's obscene! We can't show that to our children, especially not during Dancing With the Stars, a show that features women wearing costumes that are closer to rumor than reality! That would be wrong! That would be...that would...

Wait, what?

Of course, the networks insist that this isn't a comment about Lane Bryant's lingerie being worn by plus-size models, even though, well, it's either that, or a comment on the immorality of wearing bras that come in colors. Rainbow Brite should be ashamed of herself. Meanwhile, over in Victoria's Secret-land, all the models are modestly wearing undies the exact color of their skins, making them look totally nude if you're not paying close attention. Much more modest.

"Why?"

"Because the models were fat, Mom."

"Really?"

"Yeah."

"But that doesn't make sense."

"Tell me about it."

The current culture of fat shaming isn't just depressing; it's outright scary. It's dehumanizing. Fat women are "whales" and "cows," not just, I don't know, fat women. Women come in all shapes and sizes! Women are healthy at all shapes and sizes! My youngest sister weighs about fifty pounds more than I do, and she is smoking hot, like a plus-sized Betty Page gone tattoo model. She dresses like she's hot, she walks like she's hot, and you know what? She's hot! She's also healthy, active, smart, and all those other things that some people think "fatties" aren't allowed to be. She looks better at her current weight than I ever would, because she's built that way.

This may be a bit of a shock to some of the folks out there deciding what is and isn't "decent," but not all bodies were created from the same template. If Kate and I were to eat identical things and do identical amounts of exercise for a week, we would not lose identical amounts of weight. If Vixy and I were to each gain ten pounds, they would not distribute themselves in identical places on our bodies. I know people who can gain weight on nothing but broccoli and lean meat, and people who can lose weight on a diet of chocolate bonbons. Fat shaming solves nothing. It doesn't make the world's plus-sized population disappear in a puff of Twinkie-scented smoke; it just makes teenage girls develop eating disorders, grown women lie about their weight, and small children tell their mothers they don't want dinner because they're scared of getting fat.

"That's just stupid."

"I know."

"Those people should cut that out."

Also, on the practical side of things...women are more likely to go out in public, and exercise voluntarily, when they're wearing good bras. This goes double for plus-sized women, who are (surprise, surprise) more likely to have large breasts, and thus need the support and stabilization of a good bra. So if the goal is really making all the fat women into thin women, they should be getting government bra service as an incentive to get out and move around more. Not that exercise is the absolute answer for everyone—that's another can of worms, and goes back to my "not all bodies were created from the same template" point—but hell, it would be a start. Saying "ew, that's indecent" doesn't do anybody any good. Except maybe the viewing public that gets spared the sight of all those "fatties," and well. I'm not so concerned about them in this particular situation.

"I wish they would, Mom."

"Tell them that."

"Okay."
Tags: cranky blonde is cranky, don't be dumb, my mom is nuts, so the marilyn
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That's freaking ridiculous. It's not as if women's bust sizes as a whole are getting smaller globally. Lane Bryant is closer to the average size than Victoria's Secret.
I'm pretty sure the "war on obesity" crowd says that if we admit that, the calories have already won.
EXACTLY!

Disparaging comments about my existence when I'm walking down the street do not inspire me to walk downtown by myself. Getting honked at so I'll hear the guy yelling, "Hey, fatty!" also fails to inspire exercise. Dubious looks from my svelte gym colleagues also doesn't motivate me to get out and get moving all that much.

And yet, what do the howling monkeys online say, when they're ranting about how damn easy it is to lose weight? "Eat less and exercise more! It's so SIMPLE!"

I would love for the judgmental pricks to have to live ONE DAY in this skin. I'd like to see how long they could live, with a supertaster's sensitivity, on things that register as reminiscent of ear wax. I'd love to see just how much exercise they accomplish with the hooting and hollering, and how simple it is to ignore pain in the knees when the poor things have to carry twice what they signed on for.

I don't wish suffering on anyone, but I am SO SICK of hearing how all of the above is excuses, and I could shed the weight if I just had the willpower. It does nothing to inspire following their instructions.
Sad but true. :(
It occurs to me that (you being an artist and all) you might be interested in this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-ospTAz8Do

which is another wonderful comment on the pressure on women's bodies to conform.
Wow.

Thank you.
this^

And I agree with the best bras I have found for me so far are at Lane Bryant. And a plus they can often be cute and pretty and sexy too! Which means yes I don't stress on having to buy a new bra so much anymore. In fact once in a while I can even get a bit excited lol. so odd.
Now if I could figure out how to like shoe and purse shopping more lol.
See you at Marcon
I don't think it's possible to like purse and shoe shopping more.
Amen and amen. I hate the plus sized can't be pretty campaigns. My husband loves my curves and I get so frustrated when I can't find clothing and lingerie in my size that is fun and spritely and pretty. LB is one of the few stores that doesn't seem to think that DD+ doesn't equal white or tan only.

As far as airing the ad on the networks...well...as the mom of two boys, 9 and 13, I'd be just fine if they'd stop showing any of the undie ads. While we're at it, no more bladder control, erectile dysfunction, period products and other such. Seems like there's nothing so personal that we won't show it on network television, especially if someone thinks they can make a buck. But to discriminate because the person in the ad is lovely, but not Vickies waif is stupid.

~J
See, yeah. I wouldn't mind no lingerie ads. I mind it when they only air the ones with women who make my sisters think they're ugly.
People that are overweight should be ashamed. There is only one cause. They eat too much. Let's be honest, the only "glandular problem" is salivary glands.

"But I exercise every day!" That's nonsense. No amount of exercise will make you lose weight if you continue to consume more calories than you burn. That's the hard fact. exercise will make you more fit, but, if you use exercise as an excuse to continue to gulp down calories as if they didn't count, you'll continue o be overweight and unwelcome in the airplane seat next to mine.

Yes, this is "politically incorrect" but it also happens to be the truth. If you can't handle that, stand naked in front of a mirror and say, "Stop eating so much" 100 times.

Aren't you pleasant!

There are hundreds of causes for being overweight, ranging from genuine medical issues to yo-yo dieting cased by the sort of shaming you're describing above. Also childhood nutritional difficulties, differing builds, differing metabolisms, and, yes, overeating—which, by the way, is harder for most people to stop when they're constantly being taunted about it by people of "appropriate weight."

If the biological causes of weight were as 2+2 = 4 as you're describing them, we would be a world of super models. They're not. I wish they were, because that would be awesome. But biological organisms just don't work that way.

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SO long, dumb ass

slrman

7 years ago

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slrman

7 years ago

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Love you, loved this post. Plus, best cover of a Les Mis song ever.
Agreed. So agreed.
Exactly! and then maybe I'd stop getting such a giggle out of shocking the other women at the gym when I walk to the showers with the (too small) towel tossed over my shoulder instead of trying to cover my fat ass :)
Hee.
Read the article, and I gotta say the whole Ad debacle was poorly thought out and executed on their part.

However, one point you made that I have to pick is that you claim: "Women are healthy at all shapes and sizes!"

I kind of had a knee jerk reaction at that statement. I've never personally been overweight but enough of my good friends are, and I'll defend them to the death in the face of senseless bullying from strangers but they are even the first to admit they aren't healthy physically or mentally. To sum it up I'll use my buddy Steve's quote "I ran once... bad idea."

I can understand being content with who you are but many, including my girlfriend whom I spent a good part of the day being her shoulder to cry on the day she came home from the doctor whom had just informed her that she is obese. The problem is perpetuating a sense of good mental health for those who are overweight is fine, but trying to say they're healthy that way may be life threatening.

To further play devil's advocate here and shoot myself in the foot from a debating standpoint by taking "slrman's" side in even the slightest capacity; I don't agree with most of what he says except this. While there are many medical reasons for weight gain, over-consumption has to be a leading cause. In spite of whatever may be causing it there is no excuse for the affected individuals going to fast-food places five times a week. My first job was at McDonald's and believe me those "regulars" were not healthy by any means. He does have a point in that a over intake of calories combined with a sedentary lifestyle will result in weight gain. I can't imagine that being disputable in any way.

In summation, I'm not trying to undermine you, or degrade you, I think that people have a misconception between fat and thin. I love women who are curvaceous, buxom, zaftig, and otherwise shapely. It's just that all too often those who are unreasonably overweight tend to undermine their own shortcomings, when it comes to keeping it in check, by claiming and unrelated or nonexistent health issue.
OK, the sentence should probably have read 'can be healthy in all shapes and sizes'; I know thin women who are in horrid shape compared to me, and I know plenty of other women like me who have puzzled our doctors because we are healthy even tho we rank on the 'obese' part of the chart. That's really the point - it doesn't matter what size you are, you CAN be healthy. Healthy doesn't equal thin; unhealthy doesn't equal fat. Your friends, if they're willing to put in a little effort, can get healthier; depending on their personal metabolism and medical issues, they may or may not get smaller as a consequence.
I totally understand the knee jerk there. I'm not claiming that all women are healthy at all sizes. I used to weigh a hell of a lot more than I do now, and I was, frankly, not healthy. At the same time? My sister, who weighs more now than I did then, is built very differently than I am, and is certainly healthy now.

An Inuit girl would be borderline anorexic at my current, size 14, weight. My cousin Kelly, who is built like a twig, would be morbidly obese. Neither of them would be healthy; I'm doing fine. I don't feel undermined or degraded, I just think that "health" and "size" are very individual, and saying, blanket, "skinny people are healthy people" doesn't work for me at all.

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Agreed, wholeheartedly. Some girls are skinny, some girls are not, and forcing everyone to try to be something they aren't is like telling someone with a naturally fast metabolism "just eat lard until you become attractive."
I loved your post. Thank you.

When I was young I was a stick. I am 6'2" and weighed 125. And even then I thought maybe I was too fat.

Then I put on weight to 150. Damn. I was really fat then.

Then came 175, 195, 200--ending at 296. By then I really was fat. I was also having heart problems. And I hated myself.

The problem was, I finally realized, was that no matter WHAT size I was, I still hated myself. I could not see my body as it really was. I would look at myself in the mirror and say "you fat ugly pig" every morning. And nothing I did helped me at all. If I managed to lose some weight, I thought my skin was hanging on me. It was just crazy.

It took a lot for me to break through this, and I won't go into that now, but suffice it to say that I finally realized that I had to love me the way I was. And that included my body, because my body WAS me. I slowly learned to do this.

Then, go figure. I lost the weight. But you know what? I don't measure myself by other women anymore--you know, walking around the mall and thinking, "Well at least I'm not THAT fat." Or that skinny. What I want now is healthy. Still working on that, and I realize now healthy is not just about weight.

Thanks again for writing this.

Oh yeah. Now I weigh about 178ish and I'm skinny. Maybe, I think sometimes, too skinny. Funny how things change. :D
But sometimes they change in a good way. :)

Thank you for reading!
Um,
I know I'm behind in my reading, but did they Change the allegedly offending ad? 'Cause I just watched, and I missed the fat people.
I saw a lovely woman who was not a stick. She wasn't "full figured" she just wasn't emaciated. She had a smooth, lovely tummy (that my tummy looked as good), she had full breasts, and dewy skin...
Where's this alleged fat??
Welcome to the standards of the modern media. :P
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