"Isn't this the store that made that ad?" Mom asked.
"Which ad?"
"The one they wouldn't show on TV."
"Oh. Yeah."
For those of you who managed to miss this whole thing, Fox and ABC refused to air a Lane Bryant commercial, saying that it was inappropriate, despite the fact that both networks air commercials for Victoria's Secret. Now, I've seen both commercials, and if you want to talk comparative nudity, well. The new line from Victoria's Secret is actually called "Naked." The Lane Bryant lingerie, on the other hand, covers a lot more, while committing the dual sins of a) being made for plus-sized women, and b) being reasonably attractive. That's obscene! We can't show that to our children, especially not during Dancing With the Stars, a show that features women wearing costumes that are closer to rumor than reality! That would be wrong! That would be...that would...
Wait, what?
Of course, the networks insist that this isn't a comment about Lane Bryant's lingerie being worn by plus-size models, even though, well, it's either that, or a comment on the immorality of wearing bras that come in colors. Rainbow Brite should be ashamed of herself. Meanwhile, over in Victoria's Secret-land, all the models are modestly wearing undies the exact color of their skins, making them look totally nude if you're not paying close attention. Much more modest.
"Why?"
"Because the models were fat, Mom."
"Really?"
"Yeah."
"But that doesn't make sense."
"Tell me about it."
The current culture of fat shaming isn't just depressing; it's outright scary. It's dehumanizing. Fat women are "whales" and "cows," not just, I don't know, fat women. Women come in all shapes and sizes! Women are healthy at all shapes and sizes! My youngest sister weighs about fifty pounds more than I do, and she is smoking hot, like a plus-sized Betty Page gone tattoo model. She dresses like she's hot, she walks like she's hot, and you know what? She's hot! She's also healthy, active, smart, and all those other things that some people think "fatties" aren't allowed to be. She looks better at her current weight than I ever would, because she's built that way.
This may be a bit of a shock to some of the folks out there deciding what is and isn't "decent," but not all bodies were created from the same template. If Kate and I were to eat identical things and do identical amounts of exercise for a week, we would not lose identical amounts of weight. If Vixy and I were to each gain ten pounds, they would not distribute themselves in identical places on our bodies. I know people who can gain weight on nothing but broccoli and lean meat, and people who can lose weight on a diet of chocolate bonbons. Fat shaming solves nothing. It doesn't make the world's plus-sized population disappear in a puff of Twinkie-scented smoke; it just makes teenage girls develop eating disorders, grown women lie about their weight, and small children tell their mothers they don't want dinner because they're scared of getting fat.
"That's just stupid."
"I know."
"Those people should cut that out."
Also, on the practical side of things...women are more likely to go out in public, and exercise voluntarily, when they're wearing good bras. This goes double for plus-sized women, who are (surprise, surprise) more likely to have large breasts, and thus need the support and stabilization of a good bra. So if the goal is really making all the fat women into thin women, they should be getting government bra service as an incentive to get out and move around more. Not that exercise is the absolute answer for everyone—that's another can of worms, and goes back to my "not all bodies were created from the same template" point—but hell, it would be a start. Saying "ew, that's indecent" doesn't do anybody any good. Except maybe the viewing public that gets spared the sight of all those "fatties," and well. I'm not so concerned about them in this particular situation.
"I wish they would, Mom."
"Tell them that."
"Okay."
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May 20 2010, 19:33:49 UTC 7 years ago
Like...people would change the channel and stuff. >_>
May 20 2010, 23:00:51 UTC 7 years ago
(You know, I wouldn't mind the ad being pulled if it meant I never had to look at another Victoria's Secret ad, too. Or Jenny Craig bikini ads. Ugh.)
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They want women to have large breasts without having the proportional body to go with them. If they want 50 inch boobs, it comes with a 50 inch ass.
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Mind, the other theory I've heard is that it wasn't so much sizeist (except as a side effect) as sexist. Large, well proportioned women tend to have large breasts. Large breasts are sexy. Therefore, a larger woman is somehow (according to some people) more "obscene" than a smaller woman who is dressed even more provacatively.
If anything, I think is worse. Having people/networks decide your body is too attractive to show is really ugly.
May 21 2010, 14:37:55 UTC 7 years ago
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May 20 2010, 19:47:15 UTC 7 years ago
I have the same reaction to that commercial that I had to the Dove "Real women have curves" billboard/ad campaign, which was: "I get what they're trying to do, but then why didn't they use *fat* women?"
May 20 2010, 20:24:25 UTC 7 years ago
One difference with the Lane Bryant bra ad is that Ashley Graham IS reportedly a size 16, which means she actually is in Lane Bryant's size range.
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May 20 2010, 19:52:29 UTC 7 years ago
I don't suppose you can make some virus which only attacks thin people? Just wondering *g*...
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Obviously once you've let yourself get fat you should go off and find an ice floe to sit on and put society out of the misery of having to acknowledge your presence.
Actually I've got it wrong.
The real thing is that exercise is magic. If you go to the gym and your heart is truly in it and you decide as you walk in the door that you really will honest-to-god exercise and eat only lettuce for the rest of your natural life then *poof* - as you walk in the door of the gym you become a skinny person automatically. Anyone who doesn't obviously just doesn't have the correct motivation because they are fat and lazy!
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Ick.
(I feel like I should send my fabulous local woman-owned and operated bra shop a thankyou note and a fruit basket.)
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At least her clothes fit and flatter her body, and she looks damned good.
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It's funny that I can hear your mom in my head saying this. Very sincerely.
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May 20 2010, 20:53:06 UTC 7 years ago
Precisely. U hadn't heard about this ad because of being in the UK, but both ABC and Fox are behaving appallingly. I am sick and tired of all women's bodies being subjected to public comment at all times. We are allowed to be ourselves, d*mnit.
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My mama's prettier than I am, but she won't believe me because she's at the upper end of department store sizes. Woman has curves I can only dream of, 'cause I was dumb and starved myself during those important developmental years. She can't even make herself go into Lane Bryant because it's "a fat women's store".
Oh, Mum.
Much love to you for this post, Seanan.
May 21 2010, 15:54:25 UTC 7 years ago
Much love, right back at'cha.
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May 20 2010, 20:54:34 UTC 7 years ago
But.
Or, rather, also.
There's something else about that ad, something I don't know anyone has said, and I don't even know if it's the case, but it's the first thing I thought of when I first saw it(besides, jeez, what a smokin hot woman): ABC might not have rejected it for the perceived size of the female in it.
She's shown at the very end of the commercial, going out wearing nothing under her coat but her lingerie. The obvious implication being, she and Dan have a particular dessert in mind after lunch.
This very possibly freaked the morals police the fuck out.
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It's disturbing to say the least... the girl in the ad is gorgeous? What the hell was their problem - OMG Kids might realize being big doesn't have to mean you're ugly.
Grr grr stupid media
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I love curvy women. I'm somewhat there myself, although (unfortunately) most of my curve is in my abdomen, which I'm trying to flatten for health reasons (Type 2 diabetes + spider abdomen = no fun). And there are so many men and women like me who adore women with CURVES. So what if you can pinch an inch? What the hell? Why do all women have to be teeny and skinny? Are we not supposed to take up space, and just disappear into the woodwork until some guy notices us?
I say, the hell with that noise. Bring on the big girls! Especially the smoking hot redhead with the goddess-like hips and bosom. >:D Kate, darling . . .
May 20 2010, 23:12:10 UTC 7 years ago
You have excellent taste. ;)
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May 20 2010, 21:21:42 UTC 7 years ago
Perhaps some cacique bra-wearin' zombies need to visit the tv execs?
I think the women in the LB commercial are much sexier than those in the VS commercial.
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[Edited because while Crows often Crowd and Crowds often Crow, they are nevertheless not interchangeable.]
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Goddamned network sizists.
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I had to go through a lot of "tsk tsk" and tongue-clicking and judgmental remarks when I put on thirty pounds in the year before my wedding.
I did this because my *thyroid failed.* I was REALLY SICK and frankly, gaining weight was kind of the least of my problems that year while we were struggling to get me on enough thyroid replacement to KEEP ME ALIVE. And frankly by the end of it all I was ready to bludgeon someone to death with my (very lovely) bouquet if I heard one more little "Oh, she's let herself go. How could she ruin her own pictures this way??? I hear she had to have her dress taken out. How many chins does she have now? Blah blah blah."
What was kind of worse was how people, when told the Unfortunate Explosion was due to an illness, were like "Oh! I was going to say! How could you do that to yourself!" and all I could think was "Wait, now you're making moral judgments about me based on my weight?...like I'm bad and weak if I put it on because of bon bons but now I'm a suffering, saintly sick person because it was a medical problem? How stupid can you get???"
Human beauty exists on all shapes and sizes, and slenderness is not some sign of human worth. A lot of people struggle with their weight, legitimately, for reasons of health...and many, many more struggle trying to fit some sort of demented ideal of having less than ten percent body fat, yet still having a solid C chest.
It's sick.
May 21 2010, 16:46:19 UTC 7 years ago
And I am so sorry you got that shit.
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May 20 2010, 21:40:53 UTC 7 years ago
You know, if I'd seen that ad cold, I would have registered absolutely nothing unusual about it.
Because I was directed to it right after reading about "plus-sizegate" or whatever, I was a little puzzled and shocked. That model doesn't seem any larger or any more salacious than any other lingerie ad I can recall. She's certainly not outside any standard I'm aware of. Maybe I'm just not paying attention. What the heck is there for a network to complain about?
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