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Cybernetic Space Princess on Mars.

"When I was a kid, I always imagined I'd be normal by now." —Hannelore, Questionable Content.

I had a phone interview the other day in which I was asked about my writing process. I explained it—the checklists, the word counts, the editorial process—and the interviewer laughed and said, "So it's almost like an OCD thing, right?"

"Not almost," I said. "I have OCD."

He stopped laughing.

On most weekday mornings, I get out of bed at 5:13 AM. I write this in my planner. On Wednesdays, I get out of bed at 5:30 AM. I write this in my planner, too. On the weekends, I sleep later; last Sunday, I slept until 8:23 AM. I know this, because I wrote it in my planner.

After I get up, I dress, ablute, and check in online. This is done by visiting Gmail, personal mail, Twitter, LiveJournal, and FaceBook, in that order. Always in that order. I pack my lunch. On weekdays (except for Wednesdays) I leave the house at 5:34 AM, to catch the first bus. I know this, because all these things, too, are written in my planner. So is everything else. What exercises I will do, what my assigned word counts will be, what to remember to say to my roommates, whether it's time to brush the cat...everything.

I have been a member of Weight Watchers since late 2004. I like Weight Watchers. It gives me an excuse to write down everything I eat, and turn every activity into a number to be added to a little column. In the times where I can't attend meetings and get new "official" trackers, those same counts wind up going into my planner, along with a record of what time I took my multivitamin and how much water I've had to drink. What shows I watched that day. What books I read.

Tiny columns of numbers march along the sides of the calendar—how many days to book release, how many days since book release, how many days since I did something that I'm waiting to hear more information on. I record the return dates of shows that I watch, the release dates of movies, the official dates of conventions. Birthdays and ages. I celebrate friendship anniversaries and remember strange holidays that, having made it into my calendar once, are now a permanent part of my personal year.

When I see street numbers or phone numbers or the like, I will automatically start picking them apart to determine whether they are either a multiple of nine or a prime number. Either of these is deeply comforting to me. Numbers that are one digit off in either direction can be distracting, if I've been having a bad enough day. I would be perfectly happy eating the same things for every meal, every day, for the rest of my life.

People sometimes ask me how I can bear it; how I can break my life down into schedules and checklists and tasks without going crazy. But the thing is, that's how my brain works. I look at other people's lives and wonder how they can bear it—having to agonize over menus, not knowing where to sit, not remembering the order of the primes, not knowing when all their favorite TV shows come back on the air. I find the framework of my life to be freeing, not confining, and I don't really comprehend living any other way.

And yes, sometimes I have to make concessions in order to remain stable. I arrive at the airport two hours before my flights, period. I don't care if I have to miss things to do it; the rules say "two hours before," and I arrive two hours before. I become uncomfortable and have difficulty focusing if someone takes my chair in a setting where I have defined patterns. Some things have to be done in a certain order, and if I try to do them in a different order, I am likely to become very difficult to deal with. Failure to complete a to-do list is upsetting to me on a deep, profound level that I have difficulty explaining in verbal terms; it's just wrong. My friends learn that if you're going on a social outing with me, you need to arrive on time or deal with me having a meltdown, that I do not want to have adventurous food, and that I will throw you out of the house if your arrival interferes with standing scheduled events. And the beat goes on.

Because I am very functional, and because the standard image of "someone with OCD" is Adrian Monk or Hannelore, I do occasionally have to deal with people assuming I'm exaggerating. I don't compulsively wash my hands or clean my kitchen, I'm definitely not a germaphore, and if I re-type books completely between drafts, well, that's just a quirk. But obsession and compulsion both take many forms, and while I have found peace with mine, and consider them a vital part of who I am, that doesn't mean they don't exist. (Why I would joke about having something that is considered a mental illness, I don't know.)

Remember that just because someone is a functional, relatively normal-seeming human being, that doesn't mean they're wired the way that you are. I have to remind myself that not everybody wants their day broken down into fifteen-minute increments, because for me, that is the norm. The human mind is an amazing thing, full of possibilities, and each of us expresses them differently. I am a cybernetic space princess from Mars, and that's not a choice I made; that's the way I was made. I can get an address on Earth, but Mars will always be my home.

Whatever planet you're from, that's okay. Just try not to assume that everyone you know is from the same place. I'd be willing to bet you that they're not.
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Most folks just say "its a habit, or thats how I do it", but if its not done at the right time or done correctly, they dont like it.

I have OCD, my sister has OCD, so does my brother. It just varies in severity. I am always early, my sister is always late because her OCD dictates how she gets ready. My brother has issues about stuff being in its proper place and a very high standard of cleanliness.
These things make sense to me.
I have a bit of that myself, though I think it's more related to being on the autistic spectrum for me (my little brother is the same way, and has been since he was little -- of course, he also has OCD and I don't). I've gotten so that I don't need the time scheduled, but I do have a routine, and don't deal well with changing it. I get up at 7 AM on weekdays, make tea and get cereal, and read blogs in a set order. I don't go to work or to run errands until I finish my tea, unless there is a hard and fast deadline of 'be here by this time'. Even for fun things, I have to plan it, and disrupting my routine*, will usually send me home annoyed to calm down.

* Missing the bus to go to anime club on Saturdays, for example.
Even for fun things, I have to plan it, and disrupting my routine*, will usually send me home annoyed to calm down.

I'm the same way.

seanan_mcguire

7 years ago

I do not have OCD, however, my friends can attest I can be quite anal retentive.

There may be a layer of dust in my house, but dammit, EVERYTHING is in their tidy little spot. The candle on the end table must be at a certain angle, book shelves need to be straight, and the fireplace mantle needs to be balanced in composition. Also socks simply CANNOT be turned inside out when you take them off, one must be at the movie theatre precisely one hour before the showing so you can have time to grab goodies and a decent seat, arrive at the airport 3 hours before flight because I don't want to be caught off guard with nasty traffic or long lines, and one should never do PST when we get together (Pagan Standard Time). If we plan on meeting at 5pm, I expect 5pm. I will give leeway of 15 minutes, but don't come sauntering in at 5:45pm wondering why I have fumes coming out of my ears. Especially if you haven't called out of courtesy to say you're running late / car broke down / traffic, etc.

I am not a Princess from Mars. :-) But I am a Quirk who has her tendencies.
Quirks are vital to the world's economy, I assure you.

tsgeisel

March 31 2010, 18:03:03 UTC 7 years ago Edited:  March 31 2010, 18:03:55 UTC

"It'd be a funny old world if we were all alike." - Nanny Ogg (I believe)

Cheers to you for finding a way to make your OCD, if not work for you, at least not fully work against you.

(edited for grammar nitpick because that's how *I* roll)
I applaud your nitpicking!
It took me a long time to understand that I have OCD. I kept thinking it was how everyone was, how everyone thought and approached things. I also thought OCD was just the germaphore and handwashing bit. Mine involves numbers and counting, activity patterns, lists, conversation patterns, and more. It is so comforting to read your approach/perspective/experience. Thank you so much for sharing this.
I think having a name makes it, not an excuse, but an easier thing to understand and explain.

xjenavivex

7 years ago

I've never felt like looking into it officially, but I definitely have some OCD-like tendencies. For instance, the volume setting has to be an even number. When I microwave things, on the other hand, I deliberately avoid round numbers unless I'm just pressing the "one-minute" button. That one's more whimsy than OCD, though. Except for the fact that I do it so much that I can't actually manually punch in a round number because it would feel wrong. I like things to Be in Their Place. I like plans and don't like when things don't go according to them (my reading schedule, let me complain to you about it...). Maybe I have mild OCD.

One of the stories in Mary Robinette Kowal's short story collection is about a mother discovering that her child has OCD, and it's written sort of like a sci-fi/horror story, in that I expected the reveal to be that the child was, in fact, a cybernetic space prince from Mars.
Oh, wow. Okay, I need to read that.

lizkayl

7 years ago

ladyqkat

March 31 2010, 18:21:00 UTC 7 years ago Edited:  March 31 2010, 18:26:35 UTC

and because the standard image of "someone with OCD" is Adrian Monk or Hannelore

Thank you for stating this. My SO (sordak) has OCD (along with other alphabet soup mental quirks) and gets justifibly irritated with those who assume he can't because he doesn't act 'exactly' like Monk. We sometimes joke that I got OCD from him by association, but in looking back at my life, I have always had the tendency but was never 'permitted' to let it show/function.

Most people do have mild OCD (rituals, anyone?) and sordak and I have discussed with each other, and a couple of shrinks, the probability that it was/is a survival trait our lizard brain keeps going. That some people adhere to such 'rituals' more than others is more a matter of personal wiring than mental imbalance.

I have learned to adjust to sordak's OCD and my own OCD that is now expressing itself just as you have learned that you function quite well with yours. Cheers!

ETA: To correct spelling error (which is why I got a paid account because it really bugs me if I don't catch it before hitting 'send'. Grammar errors are on their own.)
It's a lesson that people need to learn, and keep learning: that no disorder or difference is codifiable in one single precise example.
I haven't found a planner I like that is small enough to go into my bag. *weeps*

They also remark that WW is a lot like playing RPG game - which is why it works so well. A lot of people enjoy that game category for - well, it's fun, right?

Knowing where your towel is, is never a bad idea.
I giggled a lot when hsifyppah first passed on the WW/RPG comparison to me. "Except you're leveling down!"

seanan_mcguire

7 years ago

kyburg

7 years ago

aiglet

7 years ago

kyburg

7 years ago

I have OCD tendencies with spelling and vocabulary. But I've never been diagnosed. Making your OCD work for you is half the battle.
I saw a button once that read "I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order, the way they should be."

ladyqkat

7 years ago

seanan_mcguire

7 years ago

I hope you're not offended if I say I envy you a bit. Your lists and schedules sound a lot calmer than my Bipolar. I never know if I'll be bouncing off the ceiling all night or if I'll be barely able to drag myself out of bed for days at a time.

Maybe the secret is accepting yourself and turning your quirks (as much as possible) into a feature instead of a bug?
I think that's definitely a part of it.

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Naturally. :)
My friends learn that if you're going on a social outing with me, you need to arrive on time or deal with me having a meltdown, that I do not want to have adventurous food, and that I will throw you out of the house if your arrival interferes with standing scheduled events.

Um.

I owe you an apology for arriving late to that birthday party a couple years ago.

I am sorry.
No, you don't. That was a party arranged to have a variable starting time. If you say "I will meet you at 4:12 for the movie," and show up at 5:00, then you have something to apologize for.
It explains a lot about you. And Most Important, Understanding you makes things easier for those around you.
Not even close to OCD. But I do hate it when Big Harold moves my piles.
Desk piles? That is because you know where in the stack "X" is, but if someone moves the stack (or goes through it) everything is then out of order.

kyra_neko_rei

7 years ago

ladyqkat

7 years ago

seanan_mcguire

7 years ago

I have panic disorder and most likely have my entire life. I found out in October that I'm agoraphobic. This apparently goes hand in hand with PD. I had no idea. (I also had been without a therapist since 1992 and had never had a *good* one before that) I attend group therapy on Mondays for the PD and it's been wonderful. I've learned over the last month that I'm slightly OCD in certain areas - it's a side affect of the PD that helps me keep my brain and life in order. Without it, I'd live in Meltdown City and Nothing Would Ever Get Done.

My therapist says I should hire myself out as a Personal Organizer.

Also.

My therapist told me last week that I'm mean to my husband. He's OCD too. He likes neat, orderly arrangements of things. Like, he'll take books and stack them perfectly square atop each other and line the bottom book up with the corner/edge of the coffee table. Then I come along and knock them out of skew. My therapist says when I do that, I'm more than likely upsetting one of the few places my husband has true control in his life. She glared at me, "That's mean, Mari!"
My younger sister has the agoraphobic/PD combination, and it is definitely common.

Also, your therapist is right. I would kill you.

mariadkins

7 years ago

In some ways, I wish I could acquire some of your traits (like punctuality and keeping track of things -- I try, I swear I try, but I continue to fail). However, I suspect that adding OCD to depression would be a recipe for disaster.

I will echo tsgeisel and say that I'm glad you're able to accommodate the disorder and not let it wreck your life.
I have... Well, I joke: I used to have a brain. Then I had a kid. This is somewhat more true than it sounds; it's not just that having an attention-demanding kid has trained me to be unable to concentrate on tasks when she's around (because she will interrupt them), and not just that she's amazingly absent-minded so that I'm remembering for three people now (me, spouse, kid), but also... My hypothyroidism kind of nuked my brain. It's under control, so I'm not so brainfogged as I might be, but I think it has an effect.

So I off-loaded my brain to my iPhone. It remembers things for me. I must put everything on it that I need to remember to do at a certain time, or I will forget. I'm like Simon Illyan without his chip -- but with his personal organizer!

(I have very few OCD-ish quirks, but from my time gaming and point-balancing characters, I know well the satisfaction of building a character in a way I find efficient. It is elegant. It is... a sonnet of math and stats. I like playing them, too, sure. But... Math is fun at times. Also, when making templates, they should come out ending in a 5 or a 0. It's more proper.)

mariadkins

7 years ago

seanan_mcguire

7 years ago

Lovely written, from one mostly "normal" OCD sufferer to another. I've displayed OCD symptoms since I was about 4 yrs old, and successfully hid them from friends and family as "quirks" until this last year or so when life kicked me in the pants and I cheerfully took myself to counseling to get my tightly won control back over my life and its diverse array of oddities.

It is funny how little people understand and how much they assume. My counselor, once he figured out just how tightly wound cheerful careening could be, once told me that I exert more energy in controlling and living a single day than most people do in a year. And then there's my mother who called to tell me yesterday that she redesigned my childhood bathroom without warning three days before I came home to visit and who got upset when I had a bit of a OCD blip as a result. One of the benefits of being a highly functioning OCD sufferer is that you can be generous when others don't quite meet the accepted "norm" as well.

BTW, Mary Beth Ellis' short story, The Waltz, is the short story I hand people, not for the particulars of my OCD, but to get inside what goes on inside my head from day to day. The protagonist is a frantically neurotic but functional 20 something. It has liturgical dancers.
Oooo. I shall add that to the list. And yeah, your case sounds a lot like mine. I have been known to politely tell people that if they don't stop saying my OCD is a crutch, I will punch them in the nose. After adding it to my to-do list.
that I do not want to have adventurous food

And here I was, hoping to take you to Cafe Raw in P-Hill, where they have "blood" listed as one of their available beverages, and the rest of the menu is crazy enough to make you think they aren't kidding.

For serious, though, I know the OCD ways. My paternal grandmother is a controlled hoarder, my dad is a semi-controlled hoarder (if my mom didn't secretly throw stuff out we'd be buried in the house in a year), and I am a self-aware controlled hoarder. I allow some hoarding compulsions to keep the rest at bay, and I have to strictly watch myself. It's like sex addicts, with the inner/middle/outer circle. As I speak, I have a container with used staples in my desk drawer that I save after removing them from documents. When it gets full? I'll throw it out, feel sad for a few days, and start again.

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bigherman

7 years ago

seanan_mcguire

7 years ago

My mom definitely had OCD. When we were going anywhere, even to the grocery store, my dad and I would be in the car, and we'd wait for her for a half hour while she checked and double checked that all the burners were off. Of course, no one had a name for behaviors like that back then (at least, no one I knew.) It was just... mom.
I am glad I don't have burner-based OCD. I would drive everyone mad. Er.
I do not have OCD but I had a room-mate who was. Living with me is generally not good for OCD people. I am a Collector and live in fear of becoming a Hoarder.
I can see this thing.
I've never considered myself as having OCD, because I don't do most of those well-known OCD things, but as you describe it I certainly have something similar. Probably related to the Aspergers/autistic spectrum things of which I have lots. I so agree about doing things in order -- I open the tabs in my browser in strict order, and if I manage to start putting clothes on it the wrong order I've often had to completely undress and start again. I have 'rituals' for getting up, going to bed, making breakfast, getting in the car, etc.

And I too could go for months or probably years eating the same thing every day. Although it doesn't upset me if I do eat something different -- but that 'new' thing is likely to become the new 'usual' thing.

(But I'm not tidy. Although I do expect things to stay where I put them, so I hate it when people "tidy up".)

Incidentally, I regard Hannelore as functional. OCD, yes, but "high functional" OCD. She survived for years on her own, after all. It's just a different way of surviving from 'neurotypical' people, however it is they do it.
OCD is definitely related to the autism spectrum, although it's unclear whether it's on the spectrum, or merely near the spectrum.

I also regard Hannelore as functional; it's just that she's a germaphobe, which I am not.

keristor

7 years ago

seanan_mcguire

7 years ago

You write you're like like I write my poetry, Freedom inside a framework.

Other than that I am so far the other side of chaotic that I barely function.

I can't create without everything thrown in a heap so I can make random connections,
I untidy a space to make it comforting, a tidy room feels like a clinic or hospital, hard and scary.

If I want to add numbers of more than two digits I have to write them down because I cannot remember numbers larger than that for long enough to perform operations on them.

It's true, people are very different. Which is to be thankful for.

You are a brilliant writer, and I can live with benefitting from your obsessiveness.
That should read "you write your life like I write my poetry"

seanan_mcguire

7 years ago

Oh dear! So the occasions when I've dropped by semi-randomly and you seem ok, were you really ok? Should I not do that again?

I can't believe I never put it together. You've always been Seanan to me, one of the "Top 5 weirdest/most unique people I know", which from me is a huge compliment. I admire you, and how totally YOURSELF you are, and I always have.

But in retrospect I'm amazed we get along as well as we do with as bad as I am at holding temporal patterns. I'm sorry if I throw off your schedule on the occasions I enter your world. My sense of time is not mechanical no matter what I do. I can improve it, but I can't fix it, just as you can arrange your life to work well with OCD, but it's not going away.

I'll try to be more respectful in the future.

--Ember--
I was really okay. I know you don't do timeliness, and we don't hang out enough for it to be a massive "thing." That's why I start getting agitated on the phone when people are past the time stated for arrival, but I calm quickly.

You're fine, and I would tell you if you weren't. Loudly.

emberleo

7 years ago

tibicina

7 years ago

emberleo

7 years ago

Whatever planet you're from, that's okay. Just try not to assume that everyone you know is from the same place. I'd be willing to bet you that they're not.

This is valuable food for thought. Thank you.
Love that icon.

seanan_mcguire

7 years ago

Makes sense. And hey, what works for you works. You're a talented and accomplished writer and musician.

Exactly. :)
not everybody wants their day broken down into fifteen-minute increments

It almost feels like a matter of... traction. The difference between free-spinning, out-of-control clockwork and heavy cogs firmly meshed with the endless track of life. Counting each tooth and groove as it approaches steadily, passes under the cogs, and retreats at the same unvarying pace. Stability. Predictability. The entire world in little bite-sized chunks, being calmly and continually processed. Beat. Beat. Beat.
Yes, it's very much like that.

mariadkins

7 years ago

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